Btw, down to 40 LPM, but I crossed my own record. On 53K submitted today, still an hour to go. Quite happy.
Anyone knows what fixes/additions are there in newest version of SER? I'm on 6.27 and I'm quite happy with this, hence asking just to make sure everything is okay.
One other question about this thread though... when I hear the term
"kitchen sink" I think "everything." So why are certain engines not
included in the kitchen sink sections (url shortener, pingback,
referrer, indexer, etc) ?
I don't bother with the last three as they don't help the cause (in my opinion). But they can help index, so I'm not going to slam them. As far as the url shortener, I haven't even tried it (it's kind of new) as I have been focused on building websites lately. I will get around to checking it out soon though.
I put a PR filter of 1 on T1's. Not really for ranking though. More to see if some websites will survive the next update. Impossible to know until that comes. But my gut is that won't solve the problem. Which is why I am also creating high quality T1 links manually and other techniques.
hey @ron 1 question... how many anchors you use for: Main anchor, Secondary anchor, lsi partial anchor or anything else, how many keywords you use on those box.
It depends on the niche and how many keywords form the true core (there might not be that many for a specific product, etc.).
But my goal is to not have more than 5% for any keyword. I am also careful to not have too many partial matches as those also have the main keyword term, so I try to have a lot of them (50+), and at something like 20%, so in effect each partial match is no more than .5%.
Then I just divide up the rest. I also don't want my branding anchor to contain the entire keyword phrase. So if you are payday loans, I might brand with Get Loans Today
I would be very careful if I am using an EMD. Personally I think an EMD will inadvertently cause people to easily over-optimize just because the keyword is in the domain. So you need to completely hit the brakes and think about what you are doing with an EMD.
yes im working on that overoptimization issue... so you are using around 50 keywords per box, i mean 50+ keywords in secondary anchor box, 50+ keywords on partial match, 50keywords on lSI?
thanks, what tools do you use to find all your different keywords? and how you organize it.. lets say you get the 800 keywords from google tool, you download that list and separate them by type (lsi, secondary, partial match.. etc) then import to SER?? or how you do this process?
ok thanks @ron ... another thing... you use the same set of anchors for all your tiers and kitchen sink, or you do this research for each project (on same campaign of course)?
@bigo I am not sure what you mean by "what is the settings to become in T1-3". Could you say that a different way?
As far as the wikis or anything that requires a special filter like PR, you really have no choice but to choose the engines, and set them all up in the same project at that setting. So in the case of high PR wikis, I would set up a solo project for just wikis with a PR filter like PR3+. I only set up high PR projects on the T1 level (aimed at moneysite) and never waste time (or efficiency) with PR filters on anything other than direct T1 links.
Hello @ron, thankyou for this thread, you give us great information to build high quality campaign.
I'm still new on gsa ser and i want to know how to avoid insert image and to insert links on wiki website, its because i see wiki website didn't accept any image and has different html tag ( [http//domain.com anchor] not <a href="domain.com">anchor</a> ) and as i know gsa ser only have one form to all article submission, so i'm still confuse should i only use wiki profile link or wiki article link because i insert token <a href="%url%">%anchor_text%</a> manually on my article (i'm use autocontent writer), please advice me
@ron awesome infos you're sharing here, thanks a lot for doing so!
I got one question regarding your tiers though:
After creating a Tier1 of contextual/article style links, do you have any specific strategy to go for tier2? Personallyy I've used a huge list of verified URLs for Tier2, but my main problem is that as for now, out of 40k teir2 links (pointing to 600 tier1) 31k are general blogs (comments) and I have around 8k dofollow only.
Do you stay away from any particular platforms except trackbacks for tier2 that are pointing directly to your tier1 contextual properties or do you include really everything? So far, after 3 days of running, I got only 33 links from my tier1 indexed although I have 40k tier2 pointing at them.
Would you recommend (for a beginner) to let's say really throw the kitchen sink at those tier1 including stuff like comments, guestbooks etc.? I have personally thought about a setup in which I create let's say 600 contextual tier1, create a tier2 of let's say 6000 contextuals again and then blose those tier2 with stuff like comments, guestbooks etc. Not really sure what the more powerful option would be, any tips about this?
If you are following the diagram, then T1, T2, T3 are all contextual. But coming from the side at those contextual tiers is basically everything (aka the kitchen sink) which includes a heavy dose of every kind of comment.
I basically make T2 to produce 10X links for every URL in the tier above it, so T2 is 10X T1, and T3 is 10X T2.
On all the junk tiers (T1A, T2A, T3A) I use everything. I use to exclude a couple like indexer, but now anything goes.
As you progress week after week, I would recommend going 3 levels deep, gradually adding a layer (tier) each week. Maybe starting week 4 I turn up the volume starting at the bottom (T3 and T3A) to 20X the one above it. Then a week later I move up to T2, and a week later T1. So I am gradually building momentum and linkjuice through the tier structure.
Separate from all of this, the first 4-8 weeks or so I keep a drip on T1 at about 5-10 submitted per day. If I don't feel enough links are being made (verified) I may boost it up to 10 per day. Otherwise, I basically save any increases on T1 (direct links to the money site) for a last resort. If turning up the volume on the lower tiers isn't getting me results, I will then turn up T1 to 20 per day.
I take this basic approach all the time. However, if I feel like I can get away with more stuff on the T1, and I feel that the website is disposable or easily transferred to a new domain, I would then likely spam the hell out of the T1, breaking all my rules, and do something like @davbel eloquently outlined here: https://forum.gsa-online.de/discussion/5695/looking-for-a-churner-and-burner-for-hire/p1
ron if you build 20 T1 per day then i think you got near about 10 or 15 verified (if verified rate is very good) and then i think after indexing process you got maximum 10 link per day (if indexing rate is very good) so you mean building 10 T1 links per day is enough for you? i mean through this rate of building links how much time your site take for ranking?
i am building 50 to 70 links per day and my verified and indexing rate is also good but still my few site is not moving. oh yes i am building T2 and T3 exact like you.
It usually takes 2-3 months to get to a good position. I'm also experimenting with other methods, but I treat the properties I care about with a little more care. Not every site works out as planned. When it comes to rankings, I take the winners, and I recycle the losers.
@ron: what do you mean by recycle? Is it possible to reuse existing content on the money site that flopped for a new money site? or perhaps use them for tier 1 at least? or do you just throw them away?
I like your strategy Ron. Especially good for new sites that you want to grow "naturally". Slow and steady wins the race here.
For Web 2.0s I'm a little more aggressive and set my daily T1 rate to 100 verifieds per day. After a week I'll check to see which ones are still live and start tiering them up in batches.
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I don't bother with the last three as they don't help the cause (in my opinion). But they can help index, so I'm not going to slam them. As far as the url shortener, I haven't even tried it (it's kind of new) as I have been focused on building websites lately. I will get around to checking it out soon though.
It depends on the niche and how many keywords form the true core (there might not be that many for a specific product, etc.).
But my goal is to not have more than 5% for any keyword. I am also careful to not have too many partial matches as those also have the main keyword term, so I try to have a lot of them (50+), and at something like 20%, so in effect each partial match is no more than .5%.
Then I just divide up the rest. I also don't want my branding anchor to contain the entire keyword phrase. So if you are payday loans, I might brand with Get Loans Today
I would be very careful if I am using an EMD. Personally I think an EMD will inadvertently cause people to easily over-optimize just because the keyword is in the domain. So you need to completely hit the brakes and think about what you are doing with an EMD.
I have about 500 in secondary, and about 50 in LSI.
@rodol - Precisely
Just be sure to manually review the entire list. You will find weird stuff in there that has no business being an anchor text.
@Pratik - There's no rules or right way. I'm just trying to be 100% less obvious, more diverse, and softer in my approach.
@bigo I am not sure what you mean by "what is the settings to become in T1-3". Could you say that a different way?
As far as the wikis or anything that requires a special filter like PR, you really have no choice but to choose the engines, and set them all up in the same project at that setting. So in the case of high PR wikis, I would set up a solo project for just wikis with a PR filter like PR3+. I only set up high PR projects on the T1 level (aimed at moneysite) and never waste time (or efficiency) with PR filters on anything other than direct T1 links.
I'm still new on gsa ser and i want to know how to avoid insert image and to insert links on wiki website, its because i see wiki website didn't accept any image and has different html tag ( [http//domain.com anchor] not <a href="domain.com">anchor</a> ) and as i know gsa ser only have one form to all article submission, so i'm still confuse should i only use wiki profile link or wiki article link because i insert token <a href="%url%">%anchor_text%</a> manually on my article (i'm use autocontent writer), please advice me
Thanks
I got one question regarding your tiers though:
After creating a Tier1 of contextual/article style links, do you have any specific strategy to go for tier2? Personallyy I've used a huge list of verified URLs for Tier2, but my main problem is that as for now, out of 40k teir2 links (pointing to 600 tier1) 31k are general blogs (comments) and I have around 8k dofollow only.
Do you stay away from any particular platforms except trackbacks for tier2 that are pointing directly to your tier1 contextual properties or do you include really everything? So far, after 3 days of running, I got only 33 links from my tier1 indexed although I have 40k tier2 pointing at them.
Would you recommend (for a beginner) to let's say really throw the kitchen sink at those tier1 including stuff like comments, guestbooks etc.? I have personally thought about a setup in which I create let's say 600 contextual tier1, create a tier2 of let's say 6000 contextuals again and then blose those tier2 with stuff like comments, guestbooks etc. Not really sure what the more powerful option would be, any tips about this?
If you are following the diagram, then T1, T2, T3 are all contextual. But coming from the side at those contextual tiers is basically everything (aka the kitchen sink) which includes a heavy dose of every kind of comment.
I basically make T2 to produce 10X links for every URL in the tier above it, so T2 is 10X T1, and T3 is 10X T2.
On all the junk tiers (T1A, T2A, T3A) I use everything. I use to exclude a couple like indexer, but now anything goes.
As you progress week after week, I would recommend going 3 levels deep, gradually adding a layer (tier) each week. Maybe starting week 4 I turn up the volume starting at the bottom (T3 and T3A) to 20X the one above it. Then a week later I move up to T2, and a week later T1. So I am gradually building momentum and linkjuice through the tier structure.
Separate from all of this, the first 4-8 weeks or so I keep a drip on T1 at about 5-10 submitted per day. If I don't feel enough links are being made (verified) I may boost it up to 10 per day. Otherwise, I basically save any increases on T1 (direct links to the money site) for a last resort. If turning up the volume on the lower tiers isn't getting me results, I will then turn up T1 to 20 per day.
I take this basic approach all the time. However, if I feel like I can get away with more stuff on the T1, and I feel that the website is disposable or easily transferred to a new domain, I would then likely spam the hell out of the T1, breaking all my rules, and do something like @davbel eloquently outlined here: https://forum.gsa-online.de/discussion/5695/looking-for-a-churner-and-burner-for-hire/p1
i am building 50 to 70 links per day and my verified and indexing rate is also good but still my few site is not moving. oh yes i am building T2 and T3 exact like you.