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new domains get instant penatly now? impoosible to rank for months?

no matter how many links i build under the sites just are locked in the 30-50s. this is not only a compaint of mine theres a busy thread on bhw stating the same thing form tohers.

ive been complaining aobut this for months on end .

seo seems like a mugs game. now.

i dont know anyone who is succesful in it?

i think the only thing i havent tried now is churn and burn 100% to money site.  guess ill try that as a last ditch.

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  • Kinda like asking how long is a piece of string guy ...
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited June 2014
    I don't know how else to explain this so, I'll show you.


    2 weeks of link building amazon niche site;
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    4 weeks link building in the finance/loan niche;
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    6 weeks of link building in the insurance niche
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    another insurance niche site 6 weeks of link building
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    I got another 1 for you.
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    Whatever you're doing, if it's not working for you, it's a fail.. simple as, SEO is not dead.

    Oh and I'm only using GSA SER + GSA CB + Express Indexer, nothing else, no PBN's (although I am growing mine at the moment) no paid links, no paid services. These niches are very competitive and up against sites like gocompare, comparethemarket etc etc in the UK market.
  • @Peter: Same here. I think we need to change our methods.

    Tim89 ranking screenshots shows GSA SER is still kicking google's as*.


  • edited June 2014
    @tim89 interesting. how many links did it involve to get to those ranks? Maybe im missing scale. cos i know ive got my indexing finally covered with your service- 60% average. (only doing contextuals atm cos otehr platofrms would not index.) there you go a plug for your service to boost your ego even more :)

    and these are tiers projects rather than straight to money site? Dont understand how its possible since mine dont budge one bit. arent you the one hwo said you only expect to rnak in 6 months? these graphs and the time you claim seem in sharp constrast to your previous proclamation?

    For disclusure of mine, i am currently doing contextual only, only 100 or so on t1 or less. then unrestricted on t2,  10kish links per day/5 sites so probly only a 1-2k or so links per day per site? should it be more?
  • @tim89: Are you making tier 1 links with GSA too? or it is done manually?
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    Yes @umerjutt0 all with SER.
  • @Tim89 : Links indexing seems like a big issue for me too. I am using another service and it is not good at all. So I will move to expressindexer as soon as my current plan expires. I am sure this will make a huge difference.

    tier 1 with GSA, i have noticed most of the contextual platforms have too many internal and external links. Link juice kinda get lost somewhere because of that especially the Xpressengine. If you don't mind telling, what platforms you think are the best for tier 1.
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited June 2014
    I only use contextual type links, This is a screenshot of one of my vps;

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    All I want to point out here is this: Who says you need a dedicated box to achieve verified numbers like the above? It's not even 4pm here and 1 of my vps machines has already built 147,995 verified links.

    Some public knowledge that is spread is complete nonsense and I like it that way to be honest, simply because I don't follow the flock of sheep and just do things how I want to do things.

    no offence @PeterParker but I don't really respect you enough as a forum member to help you, simply because of your mentality and stupidity toward my service in the earlier stages that you were poncing off of someone else before and now you've changed your mind about my service when I could potentially help you? so I'm not really going to answer all your questions, congrats on the EI account though.
  • edited June 2014
    Tim89 
    Awesome man, glad you got success after the update.  
    After more than 100 sites after the update I got nothing. Before the update they would have worked :(

    How many submissions/day for tier1,2 etc? 
    Do you use kitchen sink for tiers or only contextuals?

    Do  you use spun content on money site?




  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    @umerjutt0 you're right, most contextual platforms that are listed within SER are spammed to death and have high obls, I do trim the fat and only use certain contextual links for my important keywords!

    and ofcourse, indexing is quite important for obtaining the maximum juice from your links.
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited June 2014
    @cefege wow dude, you've already done SEO to 100 sites since may? SEO takes time, I have 15 VPSs' and I can only SEO/manage like 8 sites in my niche competitively...

    I would suggest that you concentrate moreso on a handful of sites at a time at any time for a month and then analyse your results.

    As I said, I could not manage 100 sites on my own for competitive niches, that would be too much!
    ^:)^

    - no spun content normally on my moneysite, content on moneysite is always hand written depending on if I'm experimenting on a new strategy, I would use AB content.
    - I made around 200,000 verified links per day, I don't keep track of which tiers these are for unfortunately.
    - No kitchen sink, all links get sent to EI for indexing, kitchen sinks were primarily for indexing, for me anyway, haven't used this method since I released my indexing service.
  • vkp1988vkp1988 www.SERVerifiedLists.com
    Simply i would say ,,,

    If SEO is dead means i am lost. LOL. I am totally agreed with @Tim89 and till search engines need to show results SEO is live, 

    I have mentioned this on many posts.I haven't noticed anything after latest update. BTW i am not in to youtube marketing so i am not sure about it. All my money sites using same old strategy . 

    Web 2.0 lot of contextual s plus PBN posts if needed. 

    Basically my affiliate sites are 5 -6 pages including privacy contact us pages and monosiloed . Rank along with SER tier 3 - 4 tier campaigns. 
  • PeterParker Google random ranking factor and read up a little... I imagine you have had a losers in a row thats all.
  • edited June 2014
    Tim89
    Wow, I also do SEO for 150 parasite pages.
    I am trying different strategies to rank. 

    10% of my parasites are ranking, I thought they need more time. Then you come and say 
    "2 weeks of link building amazon niche site;" haha. 

    I had those types of results before the update.
    One batch I've been working on for a month and only 2 sites in top 100 :/

    I've been looking at you screenshot and don't understand some things about your tier structure.

    From what your structure looks I believe you populate your Tiers Groups manually? 
    eg: export from Tier1 verified each week to Tier2 Group)

    Also since you create a separate Group for each Tier, there is probably one more "tier project" that posts to your main tier automatically?




  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    Speed to rankings depends on competition and aggressiveness of your link building.

    That amazon niche site of mine is in a low competition niche to what I'm normally used to for example the finance niche... To me, it's much easier to rank an amazon site selling something like tv remote controls simply because I work every day in the finance niche and this niche is very competitive, all I did was my strategy but in a different niche and those were the results for what I did.

    I build my tiers individually and I check my links using back link monitor and then I set up more campaigns accordingly.

    No, I don't use any automatic posting tier, every campaign I set up I know how many links I want from it and I know where those links are being pointed to..
  • ronron SERLists.com
    +1 @Tim89, nice posts.
  • Any tips you would like to give @ron? My problem is same like peter.
  • @Tim89 is on a roll
  • ronron SERLists.com
    @umerjutt00 - I think @Tim89, @vkp1988 and @coneh34d summed it up extremely well.

    I think you need to figure out the game a bit. There a lot of experience in this thread that has been talking.

    From my point of view, there are several things I would do *before* investing a lot of *effort* in building out a site with proper affiliate sales copy, formatting, and all the hard work that goes into a quality microsite:

    • Accept the fact that the majority of your sites will fail, as in 70% - 80% - just so you have the proper mental attitude to succeed. If you expect all winners, then you don't know how it all works, and you will give up after 'x' number of failures.
    • There is definitely a randomness factor. I have built identical sites in the same niche, done the same things, and some fail while one takes off - go figure.
    • Try to budget for some learning. Buy some domains, and set up some tests so you can actually learn something from each one - keep notes.
    • Set up skeletal microsites with a privacy, contact us, terms, etc. and then a homepage and maybe a few inner pages.
    • Put up some high quality (aka 100% readable) spins up in those real pages, and theme it together like a real site. Give the inner pages real names of products, etc., basically, however you would set up your ideal site. In other words, give it a proper site template/architecture.
    • Create various linkbuilding schemes for each website. Be bold. Try some new shit on each website. Try to use whatever you believe to be the best links on T1, and even consider hand-building your own T1 links to stick in SER manually as your T1.
    • In other words, on some, try using just SER for everything, and in others, try building your own high quality T1.
    These other guys summed it up pretty nicely. Re-read this thread, hatch a plan, and take some action. After a while some properties should start to gain traction. They may pop into the Top 100, and watch carefully. If they start hitting 50 or less, take action. Rewrite those sites to be the real deal. Then start building a new quality inner page per week to that site, maybe even more, if you have the time.

    All you need is to throw enough darts to finally hit a winner. Then look at your notes and figure out what the hell you did, lol.

    I always viewed ranking in Google (the algorithm) as a black object on a black canvas. I literally cannot possibly know what all the secrets are (the shape of this algorithm). But if I throw enough darts, an image will begin to emerge on the canvas. I will know what the misses are, and what the direct hits are. Kind of like that game Battleship. I will find direction from both my misses and my direct hits. Every dart has a lesson.

    I think you get the idea.
  • Good advice @ron, especially at this time when SEO doesn't seem to be working for me. At least now I've a "plan"... just keep throwing darts... thanks ron =D>
  • @Tim89, do you get those verifieds from unique domains each, or do you do multiple submissions per domain? Also, do you set any PR filters for tier 1 contextuals?
  • Tim89 ,what VPS are you using?do you use another tool to scrape for URL lists?it is amzing you get 200k verified URLs per day
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    thanks @ron

    hey @splendour they are multiposts, if I remember correctly it should be around 15,000 unique domains or so and I run my scraped lists with no filters.


    hey @bing458 I'm using greencloud vps, there really good value for money and the owner provides great customer support, I do scrape 24/7 and import around a million urls a day and my lists have simply grown and grown..

  • Thanks @Tim89 for your response, your posts including those from @ron and others are among the most helpful. One more question, when you do contextuals, is it from articles alone or profile contextuals as well? Do they include wikis? What options to pick in the type of backlinks to create? Just articles and article wikis, or everything that give contextuals including profiles and blog comments?
  • @Tim89,thanks very much,you mentioned that  you used handwritten articles,I see that you get 10k verified urls for T1,you write 10k articles?it can not be possible
  • @bing458 , for handwritten articles, I think its for money sites
  • @Tim89

    Can you explain me your SERP ranking screenshot please ? According to the screenshot you were moving for 30 positions in 10 seconds up and down lol. I guess that the dates are incorrect ? 
  • @dariobl

    I guess that it's the time when he checked the position of his keywords and each row is for a different keyword.
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    Hey @dariobl @Desire_ is quite right, each row indicates a different keyword, the rank check was made with Inspyder Rank Reporter, if you are unfamiliar with the way it displays results.

    So as the keywords are being checked at once, the timer starts and then a timestamp is created when a keyword is found, etc etc
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    edited June 2014
    @PeterParker,

    I've got a site in a similar niche to Tim here in the UK, against the same level of competition, and I've got pages that are just starting to hit the top 10 - 20 for decent terms after about 6 weeks.

    The site in question has about 20 pages in total, so not even a massive site, but it does however, have decent architecture and internal linking, and rock solid onpage seo.

    It may sound funny to say it, but for anyone struggling to rank at the moment I would try to focus more effort on learning how to properly optimise your sites and their pages, as it will make everything else that you do in the backlinking department 100 times more effective.
  • @Desire_ @Tim89 , thanks for a heads up, i though that was just one keyword :)

    I was into the financial UK niches few years ago, i though that mass spam is dead on them nowadays, i just know few guys who are ranking them with PBN and 301 redirects from penalized domains from the same niche.
    Nice to see it's still working :).
  • 2Take2 maybe thats where im lacking then cos i really have jsut ignored that dept, just triyng not to look too spammy and jsut leaving it.

    The 'onpage seo epic thread' makes my head spin, i have no idea how to implement what ppl say on there.

    What would you recommended for a quick crash course to get me going regarding onpage these days?

    To note: most my sites are between 8-10 pages of content.
  • This right here is the most informative post after the update. 
    Thanks Tim89 for sharing.
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    @splendour‌ for tier 1 I take the most of my time selecting the particular platforms that I would consider to be more 'high quality' link sources.

    Since I don't hand build my tier 1 links, which I actually recommend people do, on sites like wordpress, tumblr, webden, tripod etc etc if you hand built tier 1's on those types of sites and then literally blasted these, you'd still get great results, anyway back to how I do things... I basically only build tier 1 links that are worth having, I'd rather have 10,000 tier 1's coming from Drupal/buddy press and wordpress articles than having 100,000 express engine or any of those other Chinese type article sites simply because it is very very difficult to find these platforms to post to, which makes them good sources to get links from.

    I used to use wikis in my tier 1's yes, I still think they can be used as tier 1's but the amount of links you would need to push to these links to give them enough juice(authority) and the amount of time it takes for that juice to age and the finally provide your money site with the benefits takes far to long for my liking, but sure, if your not in a competitive niche and your not against time, I don't see why you couldn't use them.

    You see, in my niche particularly, I have to not only keep up with the volume of links for me to rank my sites, but I also have to combat link loss, now for me to effectively do this, I have to either spam a lot of shit links constantly at a really fast pace to try and build authority or go for semi quality foundations and use only a fraction of 2nd and 3rd tier links to provide the juice to back them up, which saves me time in the long run and if they stick around, they can eventually become really powerful links.
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited June 2014
    Hey @bing458‌ I only hand write my articles on my money sites and my money sites range from having 25 pages, to 250 pages..

    I use AB content for all backlinks.

    No problem @cefege‌ I'm happy I can help.
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    edited June 2014
    @PeterParker,

    In that case you definitely want to read up on it then.

    You need to remember that most meaningful onpage SEO guides will be paid, with the majority of the stuff on the internet just covering the basics.

    However, you could start by reading through these;

    http://backlinko.com/on-page-seo

    http://moz.com/learn/seo/on-page-factors

    http://www.bruceclay.com/eu/seo/search-engine-optimization.htm

    And (although I do some things a little bit differently), this guide on BHW is also quite a useful read to get you started;

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/631067-phpbuilts-idiot-proof-guide-authority-site-building.html

    Most importantly though, look at what the 'Big boys' are doing to optimise their pages in the competitive niches, rip them apart, imitate, and then put your own spin on it and test what works.


  • @2Take2 cheers fella.
  • @Tim89, what means that you use AB content for all backlinks?
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    @micha ArticleBuilder
  • @2Take2 i presume a site like mathew woodwards would be a good example to follow since in the seo world he seems to be able to do no wrong :P
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited June 2014
    Matthew woodwards SEO videos/guides are only loved by so many because those videos are the only descriptive, informative material newbies have which is unfortunate because it's a pile of dog shit and is only a sales funnel for affiliate products galore.

    But hey, he's an internet marketer and that's how he earns his money, I congratulate the guy but by no means do I think any successful internet marketer actually follows him.

    I know Mathew, I used to play an online fps game with him for many years, he was a prat, not sure how's he turned out now though.
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    edited June 2014
    @peterparker, it depends on what type of site you're trying to build and what you're trying to achieve, but I was more referring to the big money affiliate sites like moneysupermarket, moneysavingexpert, et al.

    At the end of the day, those guys have got the budgets to employ the top pros, so you know that they'll be using on page seo techniques that work. No need to reinvent the wheel as they say. :)
  • edited June 2014
    hmm yes but thats not very realistic for a bottom feeder like myself :P how can i hope to compete with those kind of sites? i mean ofc i can try and emulate wha ti can but most likely their themes and stuff will be all premuim wont they.

    Also money saving expert site is very different than just a few page affiliate site isnt it? they are based around different concepts id have thought? or youre suggesting you should aim to make EVERY site an authority site?

    @tim89 i agree and got banned from bhw for ranting against him recently :P

    i eventually thought i was pissing in the wind cos noobs will always be noobs and blindly follow whoever merely ACTS like they know what theyre tlaking about.

    Kind of like how huge budget hollywood movies are total mindless drivel but the majorityt of lowest common denominator still go to them. doesnt make them good movies tho.
  • @peterparker,

    I've sent you a PM as I don't really want to go into any more detail about it on the public forum. :)
  • 2Take2 not seeing any pms, unless you hadnt written it yet :P
  • Patience is a virtue (I'm a slow typer lol). :D
  • @2Take2 Can you add one more reciepnt for that PM lol :D
  • @Tim89, So you are just pretty much blasting contextual links directly to your money site? (Tier 1's)
  • Can you PM me as well @2Take2  :)
  • KaineKaine thebestindexer.com
    edited June 2014
    @2Take2

    Thank you for that "moneysupermarket" (^^) just for the content it represents an incredible job ... it looks like a directory  : / sure Google like crawl in. It's optimized for mobile too.
  • edited June 2014
    tim89 looking at this creenshot

    Is tier1 unique domain only? That looks like an awesome.

    @ list sellers. 
    Start giving more contextuals. 
    Comments and other places where you don't create a new page are useless.
  • ronron SERLists.com
    @cefege - Lol. They are soooo hard to come by. Treasure each one you get. There is a place for every type of link (think tiers). Some are obviously more valuable than others. But they all have some value.
  • @Tim89

    1. how long did it take you to build that huge list of contextual verifieds?

    2. also, how long is the longevity of those sites that you build those contextuals to in google? How long do they stay ranked?
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited June 2014
    @qwiz

    The timeframe for gathering my lists is irrelevant, it would make no difference if I knew or counted the days it took me and it would make no difference if I told you it took me 6 months or 6 years to achieve, it just doesnt matter...

    In regards to how long do my sites last.. Well I'm assuming you're asking about my moneysites yea? Well they've lasted for 3 years now without suffering any major drops and I'm still focusing on those primary sites to this day, which makes my income.
     
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited June 2014
    @cefege

    Out of those 15k tier 1's, the number of unique domains would be around 4,000 - 5,000 unqiue contextual sources, the reason I know this is I aim to post 3 articles per domain and my tier 1 campaigns normally start getting slower once they've built a good 15-20k links, upon checking the stats, it normally shows around 4k domains.

    Yes contextuals are hard to come by and if list sellers were to give more contextual targets that SER could post to, SEO would be easier for everyone, tis true, but you're talking, 5,000 + contextual targets from platforms like drupal / wordpress / buddypress, not from express engine lol.
  • edited June 2014
    @Tim89, so most of your contextuals are from drupal/wordpress/buddypress? Are these the ones you focus on mainly? So, your scraping that you do 24/7 is mainly to target these and nothing else?

    Also, back to having your sites last so long, what sort of protection do you do to get them to last so long? I've been reading up on so many of the threads here, and I've read so many cases of sites getting penalized after a few months. What are you doing to get them to last this long?
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    @qwiz

    You're asking me questions about the reasons I've been "successful" or "OK" for the last serveral years on a public forum expecting me to somehow 'spill the beans' but I can't do that lol.
  • @Tim89, appreciate that you do not want to share your success secrets, but thanks all the same.
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