Can you tell me how do you manage to get a good posting rate on drupals ? I used to post on drupals using xrumer and drupal mod, it was working very well, but GSA have extremely low success rate on them, registration goes fine but it usually does not want to post on them or can't use accounts at all.
Can you tell me are you doing something custom or just load up your lists ? I have lists of thousands working drupals but i can't even get 200 posts with GSA.
You're quite right, Drupals are really hard to post to, The last time I checked how many drupal contextual links I could get it was around 1,000 unique domains, which is AWESOME for SER, all I can say is tighen up your footprints and just carry on scraping.
platforms like express engine are still good, but require much more attention to increase their authority.
I don't do anything special for posting on drupal sites, I just scrape scrape scrape.... sooner or later you'll find targets, the only catalyst involved here is how much resources can you obtain in order to scrape, the more resources available to you, the more targets you'll be able to obtain.
A year or two ago, drupals by themselves were enough to rank a payday loan web site on a google.co.uk, of course if you had at last 1k unique URLs, 2-3 posts per URL and tons of tier 2 backlinks to the drupal posts. I see they are not as worth as they were in the past.
Regarding XE and other links with tons of OBL, do a 301 method with them, put your site on a goo.gl or similar and then throw 10k or more shitty links like those, 301 redirect will pick up what it can from them and pass the link authority to your main domain, method is still working very well, especially on aged domains.
Yes @dariobl but is that method lasting and long term?
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@Tim89 so much great stuff you are sharing here man, kudos to you for achieving such serps with SER, especially in financial niche. Regarding MW Blog, I generally like that guy's blog and check it regularly, but I also agree there's a lot of stuff purely promoted for commissions but to be honest, I don't have anything against it - it's a niche, and he's doing it pretty well, I mean promoting his aff products.
All these posts from experienced users(less probably it's a bullshit story promoting BHW services often seen on that forum) sharing success with SER just make me want to get back to spamming with SER - I used to do this but after the last update my income was totally destroyed so to speak and I've seen a lot of evidence for a power of PBN so decided to try out this technique and fully focus on it, leaving SER totally and trying to achieve some more stable rankings, but damn, this spamming is so fun and the time I spend on SEO and IM the more I realize how many stupid mistakes I've made last time ranking with SER and how fast my SEO knowledge is improving, so maybe this time I could achieve far better results as well as earnings since I've found so many niches and markets I didn't know before.
Regarding PBN, Tim and everyone too of course, what do you think about combining PBN with SER. I mean not building links to PBN but building SER links as well as PBN links to money site. I don't know why, I'm maybe a bit too paranoid, but I'd be a bit afraid to point my PBN to site that has SER links since they tend to be spammy most of the time because of the popularity of this tool. I'm talking about my own PBN, not some service which is called PBN which isn't private at all. I've invested money in 50+ pretty nice domains and wouldn't like to lose them that's why I'm asking. And since it's my 1st time with PBN, I don't have any experience with this yet, so any advice would be really appreciated.
Some of my sites are on 1st positions since February using this method, they have survived last update too . On the other side, i do have some twists on this method which speed up the whole process and give better results.
Try using 301 method as i wrote above alongside with PBN, direct spam and PBN is risky.
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edited June 2014
@ron thanks for confirming the strategy is actually potential winner, I'm assuming by saying I'm on the right track you mean that combining SER and PBN is actually a good idea
I thought myself, right now I have 50+ PBN sites and I can't use every PBN site for every money site, so this would decrease the amount of PBN links each money site would receive, the less links the less anchor diversity - I mean, I'm not for blasting tons of links only in order to achieve huge diversity, but I'd rather use PBN links for some main money terms as well as money long tails I'm trying to rank for and diversify it with SER - which can give me cheap contextual links - they'd be spammy comparing to PBN, but right now I can't afford developing PBN 150-200 sites to achieve good diversity and have various money anchors in the link profile as well. I mean, I'd be able to develop e.g. 200 sites but this would be too much money to risk for me before experiencing the power of PBN first-hand so I decided to start with 50.
Will see, I will start playing with SER again after 18.06, so the already-built and scheduled PBN links will have some time to settle down and hopefully show some positive improvements.
Holidays started and I will finally have a few weeks to do SEO full-time and I'm always getting excited when reading about other guys experience they share and all the seo-related stuff that I'd rather stay at home and begin developing sites and running tests than chill on the beach while being on holidays, lol, I'm weird $-)
Try using 301 method as i wrote above alongside with PBN, direct spam and PBN is risky.
As for direct spam + PBN is risky - is it experience-based opinion or your assumption based on your seo knowledge ?
I was using some 301 redirects with URL shorteners and heavy spam on them with both tiered shortneners to the main shortener (that pointed to money site) as well as a few shorteners to money site and also huge spam - not tiered - to them - both methods allowed me to see some revenue as I were on top for terms I wanted but it didn't last long - churn and burn so it's obvious, but generally this method wasn't anything like "damn, I'm gonna scale that" for me
I've also tried 301 with Sape + 301 old expired domain with existing backlinks profile + 301 with SER to diversity - all 301 were domains and not shorteners and this method was a big loser in my personal experience, the lack of serp movements was really surprising with this one.
Both 301 methods I described above were a result of me being inspired by some BHW users, but I experienced myself that it doesn't mean the method will be gold for me, only because there is a buzz around it on some big forums and people are saying it's the way to go right now.
What I noticed with 301 spam is the fact that it's damn easy to achieve high DA/PA, a lot easier (in my case) than with just tiered SER/SER direct spam.
So summing up, after failing with 301 method and getting hit by last update I decided to other approach, I hope I'll be able to share some thoughts on my current approach in a similar conversation like this in a few months :-*
"I'd rather use PBN links for some main money terms as well as money long
tails I'm trying to rank for and diversify it with SER - which can give
me cheap contextual links"
That's exactly what you want to be doing, but also diversify it further with some automated and manual web2s.
AFAIK It doesn't make any difference if you add the rel = nofollow attribute to them or not, as the amount of pr that will pass through your remaining link(s) to your moneysite will be the same anyway. It also leaves a massive footprint, so I wouldn't advise it just for that reason alone.
Just to add... If you do build PBN's (and web 2.0 networks) on tier 1 you can significantly reduce the amount of grunt work you have to do with SER in order to rank... For example, if done right you can eliminate tier 3 completely and use tier 2's only for the PBN/Web 2.0's.
@gooner how many sites would you recommended building in a blog network? Would 100 be enough?
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edited June 2014
That's exactly what you want to be doing, but also diversify it further with some automated and manual web2s.
You answered your own question. lol
@2Take2 I'm gonna go through your Rankwyz Tutorial later this day and will probably try some web 2.0 too.
Yea, you sometimes know what you would do, but you're unsure at some point and that confirmation from other people, like yea, that's good way to go , is sometimes helpful, lol (assuming the answer is from guys I know are saying this based on experience)
question for you guys., when im doing external lnks to authority sitres
on my money site posts should i made them nofollow or not?
@PeterParker I don't do this, doesn't look natural IMO, I mean there are a lot of evidence of content really successful in serps that links out to many related sources without using NF. But this question is caused by Cutt's strategy - he's doing so much shit to confuse seo's that at some point you start being afraid of anything that could potentially hurt your rankings and I think that's what he wants, convince people PPC is the safe way to go.
I however use cloaking for affiliate links and nofollow them by default in the settings, but that's to keep the links prettier as well, domain.com/go/product looks much better than domain/endless-shit, lol
When a domain is affected by a penalty, domain linked to incur a penalty too. Not only link go out ...
Your PNB can be affected if you link on spammy domain.
@Kaine, that's what I'm afraid of a lil bit and what makes me feel unsure whether to combine SER and PBN or not, but I don't really see any better way to diversify my link profile except automated tool like SER or something for web 2.0 but both would require some other link building to boost those links so looks like that's the way to go for me if I want to get money keywords backlinks from PBN and diversify the backlink profile to stay under radar a bit longer. I don't plan to heavy spam directly to money site with SER, rather something like 5-10 links a day
how many sites would you recommended building in a blog network? Would 100 be enough?
grax1 I have some good results for 301'ing domains. I think it has been most useful for recycling domains which have been penalized or otherwise were not doing as well as they could/should have. That said I have not seen any strong magic from 301s. For me they have not changed the underlying equasion.
How long should it take before GSA links should start ranking keywords within at least top 1000 results? And roughly how many total tier 1 links should trigger that on average, appreciating the fact that keywords differ in strengths.
I am just trying to figure out whether it would be time to move on to a new domain if I don't get anything ranking for this long.
@Kaine what evidence have you got to back this up?
"When a domain is affected by a penalty, domain linked to incur a penalty too. Not only link go out ..."
If you 301 a penalized domain then the penalty will follow with time, but I'm not sure that one or two links from a penalized site will impact the linked site
@splendour I don't check rankings for top 1000 results so I wouldn't know, I would only bother checking for top 300-500 results.
Currently it has taken me 7 days to break the top 60 rankings but rankings are bouncing still, with a brand new site, testing a few things with this particular domain, 7 days for top 60 rankings for some keywords is quite fast considering the niche I am in, well in all honesty it's friggin awesome.
Ron might have a different opinion to me on your second comment, I never drop domains that don't appear to be ranking, I just continue my campaign strategy, all my domains I've worked on have shown increases in rankings, I've not had any domain 'not rank' and I've never abandoned a domain... Ever.
And just to add, I've never experienced this 'randomness factor' either that some people seem to think has been hardcoded into the algo..Lol.
There is a correlation between my SEO strategy and my results, you just need to observe.
"There is a correlation between my SEO strategy and my results, you just need to observe."
@Tim89 think you're right. Some people do the same things over and over again and expect different results. Perhaps putting too much emphasis on their link building and not their sites. I would say most sites fail because they are thin and have crap content, no authority and no other signals, incorrect anchors, negative link acquisition.
"If you 301 a penalized domain then the penalty will follow with
time, but I'm not sure that one or two links from a penalized site will
impact the linked site"
@davbel I think it depends on the penalty. If you're panda struck then you can redirect. If you've blasted out exact anchors in huge volumes then forget it. I take back some of my earlier comments about bad link neighbourhoods, it seems Google is eyeing the stop spam databases but like you said 1/2 bad links per thousand doesn't drop your rankings that much, it's more to do with anchors.
There are so many variables to consider. Just one person here saying it's not working without having a look at the campaign/website it's hard for anyone to give any advice. I would say concentrate on your site, get it indexed, ranking for a few keywords and some social sharing going at least 2/3 weeks before you even consider link building, start slow with some 301's to an aged domain, pump out a few PBN links, then start cranking it up after 10 days, keep it all consistent and don't get impatient. If you want some advice on current anchors PM me...
Imo the randomness factor that some might feel, is just the impression that you get when starting campaign either too fast (trigger alert before results), or too slow (sit and wait) so nothing happens. I take it as a strategy game where you need to find yourself the best plan (balance between those two ways) of success.
I read the whole topic and the main issue here people are complaining about, that seo is too hard now and nothing can be ranked..
Well I see it the other way - seo will only be alive until it gets too easy.. imagine if anyone from other field (transportation, construction etc) could just buy a $100 tool and rank sites.. serps would be full of crap and competition would make it impossible to survive, so either users and marketers would both have low user experience. You need to study and get experienced to become a specialist in seo like in any other science activity. Otherwise all our friends and relatives could buy the tool, press start and make money. Luckily it doesn't work that way, cause if it did it would all be over.
TBH that's the way I like it.. Only people that have hit a brick wall and can adapt are surviving and the majority of the thin adsense splogs are now gone. I think Google know they have damaged seo big time, it seems they are sitting back and putting their feet up for a well deserved break. I think this "Random" factor people are experiencing is impatience. If you put panda and penguin together it's dead easy to spot spam sites. A a thin site with no history is indexed one day and B, the next day it's got thousand of unbalanced anchors, it's got to be a dead giveaway, plus there will be someone there just to nosey your site and tell you it's crap through WMT.
Really enjoyed this thread. For past few weeks have been concentrating on developing my PBN. @gooner - do you put links in footer/sidebar or just in posts/pages ? Most of my sites are PR3 - PR5, but thats not the case for new pages of course.
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If the PBN is niche specific then you usually would need about 20 sites maximum. You can rank virtually any keyword with that.
@gooner are you talking about case when you combine PBN with SER or just PBN alone - if only PBN, how would you go with money anchors ? I mean 20 wouldn't be much to diversify, I assume most of money terms would go from interlinking ?
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You're quite right, Drupals are really hard to post to, The last time I checked how many drupal contextual links I could get it was around 1,000 unique domains, which is AWESOME for SER, all I can say is tighen up your footprints and just carry on scraping.
platforms like express engine are still good, but require much more attention to increase their authority.
I don't do anything special for posting on drupal sites, I just scrape scrape scrape.... sooner or later you'll find targets, the only catalyst involved here is how much resources can you obtain in order to scrape, the more resources available to you, the more targets you'll be able to obtain.
All these posts from experienced users(less probably it's a bullshit story promoting BHW services often seen on that forum) sharing success with SER just make me want to get back to spamming with SER - I used to do this but after the last update my income was totally destroyed so to speak and I've seen a lot of evidence for a power of PBN so decided to try out this technique and fully focus on it, leaving SER totally and trying to achieve some more stable rankings, but damn, this spamming is so fun and the time I spend on SEO and IM the more I realize how many stupid mistakes I've made last time ranking with SER and how fast my SEO knowledge is improving, so maybe this time I could achieve far better results as well as earnings since I've found so many niches and markets I didn't know before.
Regarding PBN, Tim and everyone too of course, what do you think about combining PBN with SER. I mean not building links to PBN but building SER links as well as PBN links to money site. I don't know why, I'm maybe a bit too paranoid, but I'd be a bit afraid to point my PBN to site that has SER links since they tend to be spammy most of the time because of the popularity of this tool. I'm talking about my own PBN, not some service which is called PBN which isn't private at all. I've invested money in 50+ pretty nice domains and wouldn't like to lose them that's why I'm asking. And since it's my 1st time with PBN, I don't have any experience with this yet, so any advice would be really appreciated.
Try using 301 method as i wrote above alongside with PBN, direct spam and PBN is risky.
"I'd rather use PBN links for some main money terms as well as money long tails I'm trying to rank for and diversify it with SER - which can give me cheap contextual links"
That's exactly what you want to be doing, but also diversify it further with some automated and manual web2s.
You answered your own question. lol
Just to add... If you do build PBN's (and web 2.0 networks) on tier 1 you can significantly reduce the amount of grunt work you have to do with SER in order to rank... For example, if done right you can eliminate tier 3 completely and use tier 2's only for the PBN/Web 2.0's.
Thanks.
You answered your own question. lol
@2Take2 I'm gonna go through your Rankwyz Tutorial later this day and will probably try some web 2.0 too.
Yea, you sometimes know what you would do, but you're unsure at some point and that confirmation from other people, like yea, that's good way to go , is sometimes helpful, lol (assuming the answer is from guys I know are saying this based on experience)
question for you guys., when im doing external lnks to authority sitres on my money site posts should i made them nofollow or not?
@PeterParker I don't do this, doesn't look natural IMO, I mean there are a lot of evidence of content really successful in serps that links out to many related sources without using NF. But this question is caused by Cutt's strategy - he's doing so much shit to confuse seo's that at some point you start being afraid of anything that could potentially hurt your rankings and I think that's what he wants, convince people PPC is the safe way to go.
I however use cloaking for affiliate links and nofollow them by default in the settings, but that's to keep the links prettier as well, domain.com/go/product looks much better than domain/endless-shit, lol
@Kaine, that's what I'm afraid of a lil bit and what makes me feel unsure whether to combine SER and PBN or not, but I don't really see any better way to diversify my link profile except automated tool like SER or something for web 2.0 but both would require some other link building to boost those links so looks like that's the way to go for me if I want to get money keywords backlinks from PBN and diversify the backlink profile to stay under radar a bit longer. I don't plan to heavy spam directly to money site with SER, rather something like 5-10 links a day
how many sites would you recommended building in a blog network? Would 100 be enough?
@bangkoklad do you mean PBN or web 2.0 network ?
How long should it take before GSA links should start ranking keywords within at least top 1000 results? And roughly how many total tier 1 links should trigger that on average, appreciating the fact that keywords differ in strengths.
I am just trying to figure out whether it would be time to move on to a new domain if I don't get anything ranking for this long.
"When a domain is affected by a penalty, domain linked to incur a penalty too. Not only link go out ..."
If you 301 a penalized domain then the penalty will follow with time, but I'm not sure that one or two links from a penalized site will impact the linked site
Currently it has taken me 7 days to break the top 60 rankings but rankings are bouncing still, with a brand new site, testing a few things with this particular domain, 7 days for top 60 rankings for some keywords is quite fast considering the niche I am in, well in all honesty it's friggin awesome.
Ron might have a different opinion to me on your second comment, I never drop domains that don't appear to be ranking, I just continue my campaign strategy, all my domains I've worked on have shown increases in rankings, I've not had any domain 'not rank' and I've never abandoned a domain... Ever.
And just to add, I've never experienced this 'randomness factor' either that some people seem to think has been hardcoded into the algo..Lol.
There is a correlation between my SEO strategy and my results, you just need to observe.
@Tim89 think you're right. Some people do the same things over and over again and expect different results. Perhaps putting too much emphasis on their link building and not their sites. I would say most sites fail because they are thin and have crap content, no authority and no other signals, incorrect anchors, negative link acquisition.
"If you 301 a penalized domain then the penalty will follow with time, but I'm not sure that one or two links from a penalized site will impact the linked site"
@davbel I think it depends on the penalty. If you're panda struck then you can redirect. If you've blasted out exact anchors in huge volumes then forget it. I take back some of my earlier comments about bad link neighbourhoods, it seems Google is eyeing the stop spam databases but like you said 1/2 bad links per thousand doesn't drop your rankings that much, it's more to do with anchors.
There are so many variables to consider. Just one person here saying it's not working without having a look at the campaign/website it's hard for anyone to give any advice. I would say concentrate on your site, get it indexed, ranking for a few keywords and some social sharing going at least 2/3 weeks before you even consider link building, start slow with some 301's to an aged domain, pump out a few PBN links, then start cranking it up after 10 days, keep it all consistent and don't get impatient. If you want some advice on current anchors PM me...
TBH that's the way I like it.. Only people that have hit a brick wall and can adapt are surviving and the majority of the thin adsense splogs are now gone. I think Google know they have damaged seo big time, it seems they are sitting back and putting their feet up for a well deserved break. I think this "Random" factor people are experiencing is impatience. If you put panda and penguin together it's dead easy to spot spam sites. A a thin site with no history is indexed one day and B, the next day it's got thousand of unbalanced anchors, it's got to be a dead giveaway, plus there will be someone there just to nosey your site and tell you it's crap through WMT.
@gooner are you talking about case when you combine PBN with SER or just PBN alone - if only PBN, how would you go with money anchors ? I mean 20 wouldn't be much to diversify, I assume most of money terms would go from interlinking ?