@gooner I've done some testing on this so I know for a fact that having proxies that have already been used for mass link building hurt you for creating links on sites again.
Look at it this way.
Almost everyone uses the same proxy providers with SER, be it shared or dedicated, by the time anyone gets their proxies they have already been used by someone else. Every time anyone gets proxies the provider only has a certain amount of c-class ip blocks, so sooner or later those IP's will not only be in many different spam DB's, but also be blocked on the same site you're trying to join.
I'm sure that when site owners delete our accounts, they put a block on that IP. Over time it's not going to be hard to have all these IP blocks banned. And that's why it's getting harder and harder for SER to get new links for us. It has nothing to do with @Sven and his wonderful SER software, but directly related to all the proxies we are all using.
@Trevor_Bandura - I agree with you on the link building part of it, but there is still an issue with CPU usage which can't be caused by the proxies.
EDIT: There is also the question of why people are apparently getting more links with older versions. Although i must admit in my tests that either hasn't been the case or has been such a minor difference as to be insignificant.
Yes 64bit, i forgot about that. Main issue with GSA is that it can't use more than 3 GB of RAM, it would be amazing when GSA could make a full use of 32 GB DDR3 system, just image that LpM lol.
And yea i'm sure Sven must be thinking some of us are crazy too because some people report problems and others have no issues at all. SER seems to perform very differently on different machines/different setups.
I'm a bit late to the party, but I'm with @gooner on this and I did actually post something similar 6 months + ago about keeping SER sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
Whilst I am ever so grateful as to what @sven does with SER and I don't envy him for one minute for having to deal with all the whining we all do every time he's worked for hours to be able to release an update, I wish he would leave SER as a lean link builder and then create an "add-on" for all the bells and whistle stuff that others want...
Yes the standalone version just for submitting without a lot of feature would be great - definitely will buy this version - this is really great idea. I am not programmer but I hire programmers and can say that sometimes is better, easier and faster to build additional product (based on main one) than change old one.
+1 for private forum/member's club, there's way too much info on here for big G to be looking at.
+1 for an Ultra-SER, could be totally separate from SER or an add-on and it'll definitely sell both here and BHW, Sven's captive audience
@gooner going back to page 1, yeah use macros for everything you can titles, comments, everything. It'll help you organise your desktop/Dropbox to the max while you're at it (if you have loads of sites).
Well as someone that has 29 Dedicated Servers all Running GSA. I can Deff say there is a huge change in SER that is currently going. One Version Contextual's are Flying, Next Version They are horrible, Next Version there's Bugs All over the place, Next Version the Junk Teirs aren't working quite as well as they used to. Like others have said I'm not a programmer I rely on Sven for my SEO needs as he is the developer and I am very grateful for this program he created and how it's helped grow my business.
on each server I put around 50 Projects each with a certain number of teirs. I have a very low end type dedicated server. And the server can handle that many projects just fine. It's SER that can't handle anymore..
Now a 64 bit version would solve everything right off the bat. I understand why sven won't release it I know he has a concern on spamming and a 64 bit would open the flood gates even more. Plus a 32 bit version it can only handle so much before you need to buy another copy so that equals to more revenue for Sven. Great idea for him. I offered Sven quite a bit of money to release a 64 bit and it was still a no go. What if he released a 64bit for like 400-500$? I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Even if there was a lighter version of SER that would be great. because right now this is not the same program that I used even a few months ago. I understand trying to make it a go to program. but with 32 bit there's only so much you can do IMO.
I still love SER, I spend 10-15 Hours a day in it since it was released just very concerned about the direction it's heading ATM.
@hunar - 29 dedi's!!! Congrats man you are the biggest spammer on the entire planet!
I totally agree you on all points, SER Lite or SER 64bit would cure many issues we are seeing.
Paying more or even monthly for 64 bit would work for me, most people that need that kind of volume are already earning good money - So i really don't think money is an issue. We just need a lighter/spammier version.
+1 Hunar I would buy a 400$+ ser if it provea more efficient than what we have atm.
29 dedis…. congrats man. I have a hard time managing 4 servers. How do you manage?
It doesn't take a big shot to have 150 projects on one server. Just take 5 websites with 10 rankable inner pages each, and you have 55 T1's. Then add a couple projects each, and you are over 150.
This is not a heavy user. This is just a guy with a few websites. So when people mention having all those projects is a heavy user, that kind of misrepresents things IMHO. I would contend that 150 projects is a fairly light user.
My best guess is that it is software bloat. We need SER Lite. We all complained 18 months ago that Sven was adding too many features. Can you imagine how much was added in 18 months? Look at the version history to see the answer.
I would seriously consider nuking 75% of all the features, and making a stripped down posting and verification machine. Screw all the features. We need links, not a BMW.
p.s. On the proxy theory and this other stuff, it is all hogwash. I was using the same proxies, the same projects, 6 weeks ago making 200,000 verified links per day. Now I am at 25% of that - with a quality list!
@ron , that completely depends on the user.I have seen people using SER to post to about 10 sites a day and nothing more.Sven is on the right track catering to a lot of people's needs and not just a handful of us using it to screw thousands of sites a day.Some sort of secondary software - addon is welcome though
The danger with catering to a lot of people's needs is that it becomes a jack of all trades and master of none. What puts SER above anything else is speed and volume.
There are other tools that can do quality links at a much slower pace. As far as i am aware the vast majority of people use SER for it's ability to build mass links quickly.
@spammasta - I own the other slow systems. I switched to SER to make more backlinks. The person with the most backlinks wins in the rankings.
If you have a few projects, then you don't need SER. Get Ultimate Demon or something. If you need linkbuilding, then you get SER. It's a huge difference.
@gooner@ron when other SEO softwares cost about $147 / month for about 10% of SER's functionality - anything with similar capabilities is bound to attract the market .
@spammasta - There are other tools that cost less than SER that can do low volume linking. Some even do things SER can't do well, like web 2,0's. So for low volume link building there are alternatives.
@gooner i am pretty sure Sven is more into making this a swiss army knife sorta.I am really not aware of any other decent SEO software which has a one off price point like SER.
Well, no one can really speak for Sven's intentions. All i'm saying is that if that is the plan then a lot of the core group of users (guys that have been using the software since the beginning and newer heavy users) can potentially be alienated.
If you did a poll i would conservatively estimate that 75+ % of users would want more speed and less resources used.
I totally agree, we are all here to make connections quickly on many platform. Very sincerely, those who want 10 post per day should do it by hand. Post links with a machine, 10 or 1 million per day is always spam.
Do not forget that the comment spam is an abuse of language.
We need link @Sven, many more link as mentioned @ron. That's why we've chosen you. If we do not do the more we lose ... and you too.
I like speed as long as it does not hurt quality. The possibility to submit with Ser like it was done manually is epic. The faster the better, but I hope Sven will keep his product high-quality.
You guys should make a list of what you want removed from SER. I like some of the newer features and would probably stop using it (or use it less) if some of them were removed as it'll leave bigger footprints.
Here's my list of things I'd like removed, whether it will affect CPU I am not sure:
1. Important messages 2. Little icons to left of each project 3. Blog Comments / Directory 4. Character spinning 5. Country and Language skip options (not domain/URL, I use them) 6. Scheduled Posting 7. Startpage search engines (total cr*p) 8. Notes section
But that's only because I never use them, others might!
Also if @Sven doesn't want to set one up then I or someone here could start a separate forum on a separate domain that is invite-only for people who post on here?
Yeah, I think if everyone started to count here features to be removed, would only piss Sven off. I think Sven has told it before - if you have too many projects for Ser to handle, go get another license. As someone wrote here earlier that many tools cost monthly more than Ser one time, then it only confirms that argument.
Well if there is a consensus to have certain aspects removed from the software then maybe Sven would consider it. However, I don't think any of the things listed above would make much difference to CPU anyway.
With due respect I think the culprit is those RED and green lists currently being sold .They have simply whitewashed the available targets .And increasing number of spam filters being used by webmasters now .
I've only been running this for a couple of weeks and it was running beautifully - it just seem the last two or three updates have effected something drastically. Is there a safe way to roll back to an earlier version?
I think Sven don't time for comment but are on it. I do not think it will features and I think it does not play on the cpu, just because you can already disable
Personnally i disable all option i not use (virtually any) and i never CPU problem, but maybe i'm lucky ?
Just to help, I turned SER on a Quad core Q6700, therefore without hyperthreating 4 reel core.
I don't think is that the problem, but if user use AMD (no hyperthreating too) to tell us if it also has problem at this level.
The biggest thing I'm looking for is consistency. Consistency in which new versions come out and how they work. Which is a hard thing to do in this business as it's not 100% up to sven, Webmasters change things on their sites, Add more spam filters, All of which is outta sven's control. but It drives me nuts when 1 version contextuals kick ass, Next version Junk Tiers suck, Next version something else stops working quite as well etc. etc.
The only thing I can think of. Doing this is a 1man or 2person team like sven has with allllll of these features that's gotta be hard and sven is a very smart guy. but again with all of these features I can't even imagine how he keeps track of all the coding and features and exactly what they do and exactly how they work. I know even as a user of the program sometimes I look at the features and i'm just like =O. I couldn't even imagine coding all that and knowing the inner workings of each feature.
Also, Sven if you are by chance reading this by no means am i telling you what to do with SER, but if it were up to me I'd take a core group of power users who use SER and have them test the heck outta new versions. I wouldn't mind I have 29 copies of it running 24/7 and more than willing to share all my data with you. I know that'd slow down on updates coming out and new features but at least there'd be consistency and every version that came out should in theory essentially be bug free and working fine.
@hunar right on. I dont know much about pragramming either but i know a thing or two about making a zenno bot which i think loosely is based on the same principles and i can tell you with that 50% is making the bot then the other 50% is debugging.
ALso regarding @tim's comment about using older versions Ive been in two minds aobut that in that yes im happy with older versions but also there are engine updates that you miss out on if you dont update so the longer you leave it is the more likely that they will be getting obsolete. i dont know how much of an issue this is tho since iver never done any testing just a concern thats been in my mind.
It seems the debugging is what is the problem here not @sven's programming skills.
Actually id say the bigger problem is sven not adding features that the power users want.
Its not like your ;ignoring the majority of users' by only catering to 'the hardcore' cos everyone knows that every noob wants to learn from the power users anyway so the noobs will wnat what the power users want so i dont feel its a case of leaving out any demographic.
I think its strange that @sven hasnt commented yet...we are currently left with wild speculations as to his intention/thoughts/feelings on the subject etc. :P
Sven will not make a 64bit version, when i asked him how to run GSA twice or three times on a same machine in order to get the reasonable results he said go and buy more license, when i said why should i do that when every other normal application works on 64bit version where i do not need to run multiple instances but make most out of my machine with one 64bit instance he started being very rude and all like, if you like other software then stop using mine.
Not really nice behavior from him but ok. So the main answer is : with 64bit version he would earn LESS and therefore he will not release it. However, i would recommend him to release 64bit version for 3 times bigger price - $300 and who needs it he will buy it, that's still very good income for him, i highly doubt that average amount of purchased licenses per single user expands the number of 3.
I will keep using GSA, but i will probably mainly switch to xrumer soon, it's much much better application, especially considering it is solving captchas out of box (even recaptcha ) and it's fast as hell.
If he really was just looking to make as much dough as possible, I think he would have taken the requests to price a 64 bit version a lot higher than it currently is. I would be happy to pay more than $500 for a 64 bit version of SER if it would be any faster than 32 bit. Though I'm wondering if a 64 bit version wouldn't just run into CPU trouble as it's already using a good amount?
I also must admit that I'm seriously considering getting XRumer to run along side SER. Already bought the new server, just not sure whether I should get another SER+CB license yet or go for XRumer.
I really love Sven work but if Sven leaves a place for competition than somebody will create software like SER but in 64 bit (just for mass posting) - like xrumer but for contextual websites.
I bet many advanced users will give it a try. If Sven will not do it somebody finally will do.
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EDIT: There is also the question of why people are apparently getting more links with older versions. Although i must admit in my tests that either hasn't been the case or has been such a minor difference as to be insignificant.
And yea i'm sure Sven must be thinking some of us are crazy too because some people report problems and others have no issues at all. SER seems to perform very differently on different machines/different setups.
Looks good so far.
Would love to see a stripped down, fast posting version of SER, and would buy it in a second if it were available!
Whilst I am ever so grateful as to what @sven does with SER and I don't envy him for one minute for having to deal with all the whining we all do every time he's worked for hours to be able to release an update, I wish he would leave SER as a lean link builder and then create an "add-on" for all the bells and whistle stuff that others want...
Nice suggestion @davbel
e.g.
Want to scrape articles = $10
Want to spin articles = $10
Want access to exclusive "SER Members Club" where everything is top, tot secret...$10
The addon part sounds the best idea.
Slick racehorse out of the box and addons as options if you want them.
on each server I put around 50 Projects each with a certain number of teirs. I have a very low end type dedicated server. And the server can handle that many projects just fine. It's SER that can't handle anymore..
Now a 64 bit version would solve everything right off the bat. I understand why sven won't release it I know he has a concern on spamming and a 64 bit would open the flood gates even more. Plus a 32 bit version it can only handle so much before you need to buy another copy so that equals to more revenue for Sven. Great idea for him. I offered Sven quite a bit of money to release a 64 bit and it was still a no go.
Even if there was a lighter version of SER that would be great. because right now this is not the same program that I used even a few months ago. I understand trying to make it a go to program. but with 32 bit there's only so much you can do IMO.
I still love SER, I spend 10-15 Hours a day in it since it was released just very concerned about the direction it's heading ATM.
I totally agree you on all points, SER Lite or SER 64bit would cure many issues we are seeing.
Paying more or even monthly for 64 bit would work for me, most people that need that kind of volume are already earning good money - So i really don't think money is an issue. We just need a lighter/spammier version.
It doesn't take a big shot to have 150 projects on one server. Just take 5 websites with 10 rankable inner pages each, and you have 55 T1's. Then add a couple projects each, and you are over 150.
This is not a heavy user. This is just a guy with a few websites. So when people mention having all those projects is a heavy user, that kind of misrepresents things IMHO. I would contend that 150 projects is a fairly light user.
My best guess is that it is software bloat. We need SER Lite. We all complained 18 months ago that Sven was adding too many features. Can you imagine how much was added in 18 months? Look at the version history to see the answer.
I would seriously consider nuking 75% of all the features, and making a stripped down posting and verification machine. Screw all the features. We need links, not a BMW.
p.s. On the proxy theory and this other stuff, it is all hogwash. I was using the same proxies, the same projects, 6 weeks ago making 200,000 verified links per day. Now I am at 25% of that - with a quality list!
What puts SER above anything else is speed and volume.
There are other tools that can do quality links at a much slower pace. As far as i am aware the vast majority of people use SER for it's ability to build mass links quickly.
Some even do things SER can't do well, like web 2,0's.
So for low volume link building there are alternatives.
If you did a poll i would conservatively estimate that 75+ % of users would want more speed and less resources used.
Here's my list of things I'd like removed, whether it will affect CPU I am not sure:
1. Important messages
2. Little icons to left of each project
3. Blog Comments / Directory
4. Character spinning
5. Country and Language skip options (not domain/URL, I use them)
6. Scheduled Posting
7. Startpage search engines (total cr*p)
8. Notes section
But that's only because I never use them, others might!
Oh well it was worth a try.
That's not helpful really.
Maybe some API's, maybe nothing... I can't remember what the differences are off-hand
The only thing I can think of. Doing this is a 1man or 2person team like sven has with allllll of these features that's gotta be hard and sven is a very smart guy. but again with all of these features I can't even imagine how he keeps track of all the coding and features and exactly what they do and exactly how they work. I know even as a user of the program sometimes I look at the features and i'm just like =O. I couldn't even imagine coding all that and knowing the inner workings of each feature.
Also, Sven if you are by chance reading this by no means am i telling you what to do with SER, but if it were up to me I'd take a core group of power users who use SER and have them test the heck outta new versions. I wouldn't mind I have 29 copies of it running 24/7 and more than willing to share all my data with you. I know that'd slow down on updates coming out and new features but at least there'd be consistency and every version that came out should in theory essentially be bug free and working fine.
I dunno these are just my thoughts.
ALso regarding @tim's comment about using older versions Ive been in two minds aobut that in that yes im happy with older versions but also there are engine updates that you miss out on if you dont update so the longer you leave it is the more likely that they will be getting obsolete. i dont know how much of an issue this is tho since iver never done any testing just a concern thats been in my mind.
It seems the debugging is what is the problem here not @sven's programming skills.
Actually id say the bigger problem is sven not adding features that the power users want.
Its not like your ;ignoring the majority of users' by only catering to 'the hardcore' cos everyone knows that every noob wants to learn from the power users anyway so the noobs will wnat what the power users want so i dont feel its a case of leaving out any demographic.
I think its strange that @sven hasnt commented yet...we are currently left with wild speculations as to his intention/thoughts/feelings on the subject etc. :P