Ron, Thanks for all you do for the seo and GSA community. I really appreciate it. I am going to get another list from you guys, but before I do, can you explain to me how many tier1 web 2.0 sites you build each day on GSA? I know you say 10 per day and set it to Per url daily button, but for how long do you build 10 a day for tier1? I know you keep tier2 and tier3 at 10 per day all the time, but do you ever stop building tier1 properties and just build more links to tier2 and tier3 links. Can you explain for new domains and old domains as well? I\'m really confused on this as I read in GSA forum you saying you stop the 10 per day on tier1 and another time you say you leave it on, so I really appreciate your help on this. Thanks in advance.
@PeterParker - I haven't been doing that lately except for C&B (churn and burn). For important sites I typically manually build the T1.
@SEO_Gladiator - You are welcome. The thing is that everything has changed. For serious sites I am handbuilding T1's - otherwise the rankings will never last. So I end up using SER for T1 only on C&B sites. I handle the T1 sites very differently than long-term sites (and all of that happened to be revealed as a bonus to buyers on the last list).
Generally speaking, whatever your strategy with linkbuilding happens to be, and regardless of the pace you build links, you almost always continue to keep links at the same pace (and slightly increasing over time) until a site gets trashed - you never stop building links and you never slow down the pace of linkbuilding. It is important to demonstrate a consistent and upward link velocity. That is basically the term of the day. You want that velocity consistent and trending upwards.
Should I just use Rankwyz for tier1 for important sites and then just load them into gsa to blast links to the rankwyz properties that were built by Rankwyz or myself or is that still risky for a site that I care about.
@Seo_Gladiator - That is a perfect solution. Also get in the habit of manually creating some high quality T1 properties - I do this all the time. It will keep your brain fine-tuned on the entire process. It is easy to just start pushing buttons on software, and lose track of quality and other important processes.
If you are manually creating tier1. Do you post more than one post to each tier1 property? Also, what are you using now for content creation. I know before you said you used Article Builder and leading articles. I was just curious if that has changed? I'm also wondering if Article Builder is getting saturated with users to where the content isn't as unique anymore? Thanks in advance for your help
Nothing has changed. And I use those two services when I manually build properties. I typically only put up 2-3 posts.
But when I do it manually, they stick almost 100% for me because I use nice pictures and subheaders, etc. The pages end up looking very nice with a minimum of work.
Ron, Thanks a lot! Just a couple of questions and I will leave you alone >-
1. Are you using the spun articles in spintax from Article Builder and Leading Articles for the tier 1 content, or do you do a separate article for each tier 1 property that is not spun? Are you just trying to get away from spun content all together for tier1?
2. Are you still using Kontent Machine for the tier 2 and tier3 content for GSA still?
For tier 1 spun content I've been using Super Spun Article for the last 12-14 months for my FCS network. Quality is good, I get 1000+ spun articles each time that pass Copyscape and they all get past human moderation. Last time I used them the cost was just $49 per Super Spun Article. http://www.superspunarticle.com
Keith there is very helpful with custom orders and general support.
Mitch, I was on their site about 2 weeks ago looking at them. It's nice to know that you have had some success with them. I may give them a try, as trying to manually hand spin the articles is exhausting :-q . I found a site that does if for $27 and I didn't bookmark it last week and it's been driving me crazy trying to find it again. If I find it I'll post it, I figured for $27 dollars. I'll try them once and see what the outcome is. However, I'm definitely going to try superspunarticle.com as well. Thanks for you suggestion on them.
1. I use the spintax as is. I have never used multiple articles. If I am trying to rank in Google for the long-term, then yes, I want high quality completely readable spin on the T1. If it is a C&B type deal, then I don't care about the content and am fine with spin (as in KM spin).
2. I am a huge user of KM, and use it exclusively on T2 and lower.
@Mitch - Haven't seen you in a while, but that was a nice post. Thanks for pointing out that spin service
I just wanted to say, Thank You for all of the extremely helpful things you were kind enough to share. It is starting to help me a lot. Although, I haven't had a heck of a lot of success with it all, I am very optimistic.
Now, I have, a lot of quality time to put into SER, and I'm looking forward to it all working out well. And, I will sign up for your List's A.S.A.P.. I hope there is still space available.
@Whizziy - Thanks for that my good man. There is plenty of room on the list side so come on board. Just make sure you subscribe to Advanced SER Tips so you get all of the latest tutorials - and prenotifications on when the new list comes out.
Buyers get all of those tutorials plus special stuff like our User Guide, Best Practices, How To Use Rankwyz, and a lot more.
I'm all signed up and subscribed, with you all. From what I read on the site, I can hardly wait to get it all started.
I had to put on my glasses, to make sure that I read the "What's Included In The Lists" part of the offer correctly.
Damm, that's a hell of a list ! I'm a little dizzy just thinking about it.
I always had this feeling that something was missing, whenever I had to check on, or tweak a campagin in SER. Now I realize that, I was missing out on a whole lot. I guess now it's time for me to get it right, and do it right.
@Whizziy - That is excellent. Yeah, it is kind of crazy what we put together. It took time, but we pretty much cover everything. Just use it to get started in the right direction, and then keep experimenting with new sites to learn new things.
@Molex - I was re-reviewing this thread, and saw I didn't respond to your page - sorry mate!
What I meant was that in project settings, you would change the sitelist selection to be just 'verified'. The assumption I stated in that post was that you pretty much exhausted the new sitelist that you bought.
So what do you really want to do? As you buy lists, you want to work them hard on your projects to make sure you have captured every possible link. At that point, you should be thinking about using your verified list instead of the identified list.
The thing is that if you start to use your verified file, then you honestly need to keep it clean every day. It should minimally be deduped each day at the domain and URL level to make SER more efficient. Seriously, you don't want SER processing tons of duplicate targets. Most users that do nothing to help improve the quality of their verified sitelist - they all have no less than 95% duplicates in that file!
The moral of the story is that you can decide to change the diet that you feed SER. For example, you bought a list from SERLists and it is uber high quality. Now you want to use your verified file. If you have not done all the steps to remove duplicate links and dead links, then prepare for a very crappy experience.
So if you change the fuel you want to stick in SER, it better be good fuel. Nothing could be worse than a file that is 95% duplicate links, and then on top of all of that, 20% - 70% of the links are dead!
You absolutely must try to keep the fuel you feed SER as clean as humanly possible. Develop processes where you run your verified list through lower level junk projects (that have all engines checked) to mine out the live links into a brand new *empty* verified folder. In other words, develop a routine where you keep your verified list as high of quality as possible (within reason).
@Molex, you just need to keep up with cleaning it if you plan on using it. These days we are coming out with a fresh list often enough that I am just hanging on to the most current list until a new one comes out. I rarely seem to use my verified. So yeah, I think you are in great shape with a current list in Identified. That's exactly what I do.
Personally I run each tier 2-3 days after each other. Then the verification on auto and then to re-verify every 24 hours, this way the ones that drop off immediately or within that short timeframe will not be linked to and will not lose any link juice or wasted productivity.
Do you focus on do-follow and no-follow when creating T1 web2.0 sites. How many topic you include in one web2.0 site.
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edited August 2014
@redfoxseo if you'd like to boost your web 2.0's with backlinks then it's important to know which properties are dofollow so that you don't build tiers to nofollow backlink since this doesn't make much sense.
Regarding amount of topics - Web 2.0 networks aren't as expensive as blog networks so I think it's a good idea to keep your Web 2.0's niche-related, or at least broad-niche-related. I personally develop new Web 2.0 network for each new site I try to rank and make it highly-relevant to the niche.
Whereas mixing all different niches might be necessary when you run PBN on budget, I believe it's better to use the advantage of the fact that Web 2.0 blogs don't cost you a penny to register and make them relevant to one specific niche.
If i have a pbn now.. Which is for my money site.. Pbn's content is just likr a simple article content with links to the money site right? But of course it has to be written manually and be highly unique.. Okay if i got this pbn set up right.. How do i use it for my gsa? And blast it with link juicing tiers?
Is it like this?
Money site - pbn(pbn url? Or money site url?) - tiers?
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@cefege - I've had some success on market in Poland with blogspot - you can see this property ranking well for a lot of polish terms, not some big money keywords with tons of competition, but it ranks much easier than in the US, IMO. That was kind of experiment, because sometimes when I was looking for something on the web and typed some search queries and there was blogspot in top and I was like dayuum, this wouldn't be possible in the US, so I've decided to give it a try and succeded.
Regarding English market, I've noticed that all these Web 2.0 that used to rank well, don't anymore (yeah Mr. Obvious, lol), I mean all these popular properties like wordpress etc. From my experience and observation of Serps you need to think outside of the box to find some good parasite pages - creating 3 pages wordpress.com blog won't work that well anymore, but there are parasite pages that still rank well - like facebook pages, buzzfeed etc. I think the whole idea in ranking parasites is to use the existing authority of an existing site. When I do niche research I try to find sites that rank well and see whether there is anyway for me to create a page on it too, e.g. forums, yahoo answers etc.
Recently, when doing keyword research I've found one parasite page and I haven't seen anyone talking about it on the SEO forums, but I've seen a guy ranking for some nice keyword - nothing huge, but definitely money keyword (and I knew this property for years, but the idea of using it for SEO haven't came to my mind for so long), so some people are already aware of this property, but it's definitely not well-known and I'm going to use this in the near future.
Sorry, I can't tell exactly which one it is, I hope you understand, but it's nothing like weebly, blogspot etc, it's something completely different - and I think that's the way to go nowadays, find something completely unpopular that isn't used by the majority of SEO's because when it is then it becomes a new target of Google.
@molex I'm not ron, but IMO once you've got killer PBN with great domains that have powerful backlinks then you don't really need any additional link building to it. At some point I thought about boosting my PBN with some GSA campaigns but these links tend to be spammy so I've decided not to di
@cefege for me Web 2.0's are still working nicely. I too have been keeping them as niche related as possible as @grax1 outlines above and also spent a lot of time filtering out the do follow sites that allow posts to the home page and then building their PA with GSA. (Using @Ron lists and settings make this a breeze!)
That way all my Web 2.0's pointing at PBN or main site now have a minimum PA of 35 and they are on topic.
Using FCS to run the Web 2.0's, very pleased with it.
PS "@Mitch - Haven't seen you in a while, but that was a nice post. Thanks for pointing out that spin service "
Sorry Ron for not acknowledging, but I've been busy and didn't pick this up. You are welcome
I belive all NOFOLLOW platforms are a lot better for parasite pages as others cos they are not widely used to build backlink from (((: not as much as all dofollow sites right (:, I think it`s the good way to go if we talking about parasite pages, dont you think ?
What anchor text should i choose for C&B strategy like how much percentage for Secondary, LSI, Generic, Anchor Text Variation ?
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@redfoxseo - there is no magic number that will get you to the top. IMO it's a hard question and I used to ask stuff like that too but I've learned a lot since then and I see now how hard it is to answer that.
First of all, it really depends on niche, there are spammy ones, where people are still banking with SAPE, completely ignoring all the Google's Guidelines and shit, there are niches where you really have to play it careful if you want to see your website on the first page, there are also sites where you'll have no chance to get top rankings with linkbuilding that you can afford, no matter whether you'll find that 'magic number' for anchors or not.
Secondly, seeing a guy that ranks on SAPE with exact keyword on 30% and other anchors that all have money keyword in it doesn't mean you can recreate that. There are tons of other factors that you have to take into consideration.
If it was that easy and you could find out quickly what is the correct anchors percentage to rank then people would start to scale up to and there would be kind of blueprint to get tons of traffic - and ultimately turn that traffic into incredible amounts of money. Google is to greedy to let anyone do that, so every niche is different.
What I would personally do is research the niche really deeply and analyze it. Take top 10 pages that are rannking for your keywords and use them as instructions from Uncle Google to see what he likes to see in all the candidats that are trying to get that #1 spot. Use Ahrefs, Majesticseo and OSE to see off-page optimization, use SEO tools to analyze the on-page - especially keyword density and draw conclusions from the data.
Also don't forget about randomness factor which definitely exists.
@grax1: Those site KW are somehow including main kw with viagra, adult and other stuff kw which is not related to those niches, is this what google like :-?
@Molex - Sorry for the late reply. I always use quality human spun on the web2.0's. Then I drop those URLs into a project, and away you go. No special treatment other than having a plan on how you want to structure the projects underneath it. I personally like hitting the web2.0's with everything I've got.
@ron ic. So basically youll use gsa to make a campaign for thr pbn? Which is the pbc has links for the money site? Content and links.. Campaign. Is it like this?
T1=pbn T2=web 2.0s T3 = ser T1a=pbn T2a= ser+ web 2.0? T3a= ser?
Question for you guys. I apologize if I missed this within the thread.
For Tier 1, besides Web 2.0, Article sites, Social Network Articles, and possibly some high quality Wiki sites, do you guys not point any other backlinks to you moneysite? I know the other links aren't necessarily the best quality, but shouldn't you have some just for variety's sake and to make it look more natural?
Sorry guys - I was away on vacation, and I needed it, lol.
@Molex - It depends on the PBN. If i had a PR4 property I just bought, the last thing in the world I would do is spray SER links at it. Uber high quality PBN's require their own separate cultivation program so you don't ruin the website and PR.
@rodol - Creating our own PBN. But hey, I have nothing against paying for a good service - I do that all the time.
@kottke - You can always buy high authority links ala carte, or somebody's small network. That's a smart move. If you look into a lot of niches, the top dogs don't have many links. But they have very high quality niche related links. Think about it...
First off, much thanks to everyone in this thread. It is easily the most informative thread I've found here or BHW. Learned quite a lot.
For PBNs and (web2s as PBNs) do you link the individual blogs to each other? If so what kind of linking structure. I can't imagine all of the properties connect to each other, wouldn't that be an old fashioned Link Wheel?
If often read about purchasing niche high authority links ala carte but where can you find them? BHW marketplace? I always thought many of these types of purchased links where very shortlived. The lifetime guarentee seems to apply to very short life PBNs.
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@bokeboke - linking PBN sites together, no matter if domains or Web 2.0, is something you want to avoid at all costs. It creates huge footprint and simply shows it's a PBN and not real sites since it's not common in the normal world that all sites that link to you also link each other.
Make sure that you don't link your PBN. I'd also suggest linking to other sites that you don't own, so called authority sites. It looks more natural if site A links to 2-3 various sites, then your money site and then to another a few domains.
Now imagine if site A linked to your money site and site B. Site B linked to your money site and site C and so on. It's obvious it's a link wheel and uncle G doesn't like that stuff.
@bokeboke - You can buy links in all the major forums including Traffic Planet & BHW.
However, if you really plan on playing ball for the longer term, you want to start investing in your own private (read: non web2.0 real domains) that have great metrics.
I do both. What I really like about buying links is you can make an impact quickly without a lot of effort. What I don't like about buying links is the seller better be low-key and not a major public player in the market - or else they could get taken down...just like what happened this past week to a few players.
Never interlink your PBN. And never slam up the same set of links on each property. That would be like a bank robber leaving his business card on the floor of the vault. Not a great strategy.
Web 2.0 networks are still totally awesome. I know this from personal experience and my own results. They are much better than PBNs when set up and powered up correctly.the root domain authority is many magnitudes higher than your best PBN domain. The trick is not to spam them. I have seen impressive gains on monster keywords (400,000 searches a month) just using 2.0s. It's all about using unique relevant content and high quality GSA tiers. Build multipage properties with real content, power it up, and you will crush it. FYI: PBNs, Web 2.0s, GSA, etc, all work as long as you don's spam, over optimize, or leave a footprint. Shit in Shit out. LOL.
grax1Professional SEO, UK | White Label SEO Provider
edited September 2014
@molex the key in using Web 2.0 Network so that you actually experience it's power is in focusing on the quality of each property and gaining the authority through highly relevant content that is logically structured and obviously through some quality backlinks pointed to the Web 2.0's.
From my personal experience as well as consultation with other SEOs less is not only more, but less is better. What I'm trying to say is that getting 100 automatically created 1-page Web 2.0s with spun content for tier 1 (from which the half will get deleted within 2 weeks) and then blasting them with all you can probably won't lead you to the point you'd like to be at in the SERPS.
The age of the backlink and age of the site the backlink comes from plays a huge role. Five 6 months old blogs with 10 niche-related, quality articles on each will be worth far more than 50 created last week, filled out with spun crap.
Once played the right way, Web 2.0s Networks are great sources of backlinks for people that run campaigns on budget.
That's all based on my personal experience and research. Some may completely disagree with me and have totally different point of view. Therefore the best way to learn what works for you is to take action and invest in testing.
Nice discussion @sweeppicker @ @grax1. I think you guys are both on the money.
@Molex, I think @sweeppicker nailed it on the web2.0, so not much to add there. Just to explain, I have both, but my latest 'hot girlfriends' are private domains. It's just a phase I guess. I'm building out for the long-term on that side because, like you said, it costs money and time. And it isn't exactly easy. I prefer having both kinds of ammo hitting the money site.
yeah thats what i thought web 2.0 gets deleted in a short period of time if they are not unique and quality based web 2.0..
ive
been using fcs networker for my web 2.0 but it seems some of the
content gets deleted most of the time and links are not found...
@ron any chance of making a tutorial with fcsnetworker?
bestimtoolzHigh PR WEB 2.0 posting service - affordable !
FCS networker works fantastic but you should not depend on auto spinned articles, each article published on web 2.0 should be manually checked then it sticks. The first thing which I do after I create accounts with FCS is to manually login to each page, delete the default posts, change themes and post 1st article manually, then I submit several next articles without any backlinks, well spunned with Word AI turing, manually checked before submission, and till now most of the web 2.0 I treat that way stick. I have blasted them in the early days and it is true they get deleted very fast. The beauty of web 2.0 is they gaining organic traffic without any backlinks if you publish unique quality articles on them frequently, lets say wordpress.com, after 1st week in one niche I got 50-60 unique visitors/day from Search Engines without a single backlink. Then building quality backlinks to them will multiply the results. It really needs some effort its not rocket science but need patience and just some effort to get from them this what you need.
@Molex - We will take that under consideration as I have been seeing mention of that a lot. But don't forget to look it up on Youtube. There has to be a bunch of videos.
Our next tutorial is going to be on how to remove a Google penalty...based on actually doing it in real life.
Reup as well.....is this still a signature of yours @Ron that you will still use today? If not what has changed just speaking for yourself.
And if you still do this do you treat the Ti, T2, T3 like the are gold even though only T1 goes right to the money site? What I mean is on T2 and T3 do you set them up as if they were T1 style going to your money site?
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Ron, Thanks a lot! Just a couple of questions and I will leave you alone
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1. Are you using the spun articles in spintax from Article Builder and Leading Articles for the tier 1 content, or do you do a separate article for each tier 1 property that is not spun? Are you just trying to get away from spun content all together for tier1?
2. Are you still using Kontent Machine for the tier 2 and tier3 content for GSA still?
Thanks in advance.
I just wanted to say, Thank You for all of the extremely helpful things you were kind enough to share. It is starting to help me a lot. Although, I haven't had a heck of a lot of success with it all, I am very optimistic.
Now, I have, a lot of quality time to put into SER, and I'm looking forward to it all working out well. And, I will sign up for your List's A.S.A.P.. I hope there is still space available.
All the best and Thanks Again,
Whizziy
I'm all signed up and subscribed, with you all. From what I read on the site, I can hardly wait to get it all started.
I had to put on my glasses, to make sure that I read the "What's Included In The Lists" part of the offer correctly.
Damm, that's a hell of a list ! I'm a little dizzy just thinking about it.
I always had this feeling that something was missing, whenever I had to check on, or tweak a campagin in SER. Now I realize that, I was missing out on a whole lot. I guess now it's time for me to get it right, and do it right.
Oh and by the way, I don't wear glasses ...
Thank You again for everything,
Whizzily
Are any lists available now, or are they becoming available in the upcoming days or weeks ?
Whizziy
Thanks for remembering @ron
your always great in this haha!
So you suggest ill just tick identified ?
right? for a better quality of links..
yes if yes
no if no
cant be if can be
hope @sven makes a auto dedupe scheduler with the tool option
Do you wait till all T1 is verified before you turn on kitchen sink?
Do you also leave T1 and kitchen sink on at the same time or do you run them independently?
Thoughts?
Regarding amount of topics - Web 2.0 networks aren't as expensive as blog networks so I think it's a good idea to keep your Web 2.0's niche-related, or at least broad-niche-related. I personally develop new Web 2.0 network for each new site I try to rank and make it highly-relevant to the niche.
I haven't had any luck with them.
Giving it another go with your service however.
If i have a pbn now.. Which is for my money site.. Pbn's content is just likr a simple article content with links to the money site right? But of course it has to be written manually and be highly unique.. Okay if i got this pbn set up right.. How do i use it for my gsa? And blast it with link juicing tiers?
Is it like this?
Money site - pbn(pbn url? Or money site url?) - tiers?
Recently, when doing keyword research I've found one parasite page and I haven't seen anyone talking about it on the SEO forums, but I've seen a guy ranking for some nice keyword - nothing huge, but definitely money keyword (and I knew this property for years, but the idea of using it for SEO haven't came to my mind for so long), so some people are already aware of this property, but it's definitely not well-known and I'm going to use this in the near future.
Sorry, I can't tell exactly which one it is, I hope you understand, but it's nothing like weebly, blogspot etc, it's something completely different - and I think that's the way to go nowadays, find something completely unpopular that isn't used by the majority of SEO's because when it is then it becomes a new target of Google.
@molex I'm not ron, but IMO once you've got killer PBN with great domains that have powerful backlinks then you don't really need any additional link building to it. At some point I thought about boosting my PBN with some GSA campaigns but these links tend to be spammy so I've decided not to di
I belive all NOFOLLOW platforms are a lot better for parasite pages as others cos they are not widely used to build backlink from (((: not as much as all dofollow sites right (:, I think it`s the good way to go if we talking about parasite pages, dont you think ?
If it was that easy and you could find out quickly what is the correct anchors percentage to rank then people would start to scale up to and there would be kind of blueprint to get tons of traffic - and ultimately turn that traffic into incredible amounts of money. Google is to greedy to let anyone do that, so every niche is different.
Campaign. Is it like this?
T1=pbn
T2=web 2.0s
T3 = ser
T1a=pbn
T2a= ser+ web 2.0?
T3a= ser?
From my personal experience as well as consultation with other SEOs less is not only more, but less is better. What I'm trying to say is that getting 100 automatically created 1-page Web 2.0s with spun content for tier 1 (from which the half will get deleted within 2 weeks) and then blasting them with all you can probably won't lead you to the point you'd like to be at in the SERPS.
The age of the backlink and age of the site the backlink comes from plays a huge role. Five 6 months old blogs with 10 niche-related, quality articles on each will be worth far more than 50 created last week, filled out with spun crap.
Once played the right way, Web 2.0s Networks are great sources of backlinks for people that run campaigns on budget.
That's all based on my personal experience and research. Some may completely disagree with me and have totally different point of view. Therefore the best way to learn what works for you is to take action and invest in testing.
ive been using fcs networker for my web 2.0 but it seems some of the content gets deleted most of the time and links are not found...
@ron any chance of making a tutorial with fcsnetworker?
And if you still do this do you treat the Ti, T2, T3 like the are gold even though only T1 goes right to the money site? What I mean is on T2 and T3 do you set them up as if they were T1 style going to your money site?