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@cefege - I've had some success on market in Poland with blogspot - you can see this property ranking well for a lot of polish terms, not some big money keywords with tons of competition, but it ranks much easier than in the US, IMO. That was kind of experiment, because sometimes when I was looking for something on the web and typed some search queries and there was blogspot in top and I was like dayuum, this wouldn't be possible in the US, so I've decided to give it a try and succeded.
Regarding English market, I've noticed that all these Web 2.0 that used to rank well, don't anymore (yeah Mr. Obvious, lol), I mean all these popular properties like wordpress etc. From my experience and observation of Serps you need to think outside of the box to find some good parasite pages - creating 3 pages wordpress.com blog won't work that well anymore, but there are parasite pages that still rank well - like facebook pages, buzzfeed etc. I think the whole idea in ranking parasites is to use the existing authority of an existing site. When I do niche research I try to find sites that rank well and see whether there is anyway for me to create a page on it too, e.g. forums, yahoo answers etc.
Recently, when doing keyword research I've found one parasite page and I haven't seen anyone talking about it on the SEO forums, but I've seen a guy ranking for some nice keyword - nothing huge, but definitely money keyword (and I knew this property for years, but the idea of using it for SEO haven't came to my mind for so long), so some people are already aware of this property, but it's definitely not well-known and I'm going to use this in the near future.
Sorry, I can't tell exactly which one it is, I hope you understand, but it's nothing like weebly, blogspot etc, it's something completely different - and I think that's the way to go nowadays, find something completely unpopular that isn't used by the majority of SEO's because when it is then it becomes a new target of Google.
@molex I'm not ron, but IMO once you've got killer PBN with great domains that have powerful backlinks then you don't really need any additional link building to it. At some point I thought about boosting my PBN with some GSA campaigns but these links tend to be spammy so I've decided not to di
@cefege for me Web 2.0's are still working nicely. I too have been keeping them as niche related as possible as @grax1 outlines above and also spent a lot of time filtering out the do follow sites that allow posts to the home page and then building their PA with GSA. (Using @Ron lists and settings make this a breeze!)
That way all my Web 2.0's pointing at PBN or main site now have a minimum PA of 35 and they are on topic.
Using FCS to run the Web 2.0's, very pleased with it.
PS "@Mitch - Haven't seen you in a while, but that was a nice post. Thanks for pointing out that spin service "
Sorry Ron for not acknowledging, but I've been busy and didn't pick this up. You are welcome
I belive all NOFOLLOW platforms are a lot better for parasite pages as others cos they are not widely used to build backlink from (((: not as much as all dofollow sites right (:, I think it`s the good way to go if we talking about parasite pages, dont you think ?
What anchor text should i choose for C&B strategy like how much percentage for Secondary, LSI, Generic, Anchor Text Variation ?
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@redfoxseo - there is no magic number that will get you to the top. IMO it's a hard question and I used to ask stuff like that too but I've learned a lot since then and I see now how hard it is to answer that.
First of all, it really depends on niche, there are spammy ones, where people are still banking with SAPE, completely ignoring all the Google's Guidelines and shit, there are niches where you really have to play it careful if you want to see your website on the first page, there are also sites where you'll have no chance to get top rankings with linkbuilding that you can afford, no matter whether you'll find that 'magic number' for anchors or not.
Secondly, seeing a guy that ranks on SAPE with exact keyword on 30% and other anchors that all have money keyword in it doesn't mean you can recreate that. There are tons of other factors that you have to take into consideration.
If it was that easy and you could find out quickly what is the correct anchors percentage to rank then people would start to scale up to and there would be kind of blueprint to get tons of traffic - and ultimately turn that traffic into incredible amounts of money. Google is to greedy to let anyone do that, so every niche is different.
What I would personally do is research the niche really deeply and analyze it. Take top 10 pages that are rannking for your keywords and use them as instructions from Uncle Google to see what he likes to see in all the candidats that are trying to get that #1 spot. Use Ahrefs, Majesticseo and OSE to see off-page optimization, use SEO tools to analyze the on-page - especially keyword density and draw conclusions from the data.
Also don't forget about randomness factor which definitely exists.
@grax1: Those site KW are somehow including main kw with viagra, adult and other stuff kw which is not related to those niches, is this what google like :-?
@Molex - Sorry for the late reply. I always use quality human spun on the web2.0's. Then I drop those URLs into a project, and away you go. No special treatment other than having a plan on how you want to structure the projects underneath it. I personally like hitting the web2.0's with everything I've got.
@ron ic. So basically youll use gsa to make a campaign for thr pbn? Which is the pbc has links for the money site? Content and links.. Campaign. Is it like this?
T1=pbn T2=web 2.0s T3 = ser T1a=pbn T2a= ser+ web 2.0? T3a= ser?
Question for you guys. I apologize if I missed this within the thread.
For Tier 1, besides Web 2.0, Article sites, Social Network Articles, and possibly some high quality Wiki sites, do you guys not point any other backlinks to you moneysite? I know the other links aren't necessarily the best quality, but shouldn't you have some just for variety's sake and to make it look more natural?
Sorry guys - I was away on vacation, and I needed it, lol.
@Molex - It depends on the PBN. If i had a PR4 property I just bought, the last thing in the world I would do is spray SER links at it. Uber high quality PBN's require their own separate cultivation program so you don't ruin the website and PR.
@rodol - Creating our own PBN. But hey, I have nothing against paying for a good service - I do that all the time.
@kottke - You can always buy high authority links ala carte, or somebody's small network. That's a smart move. If you look into a lot of niches, the top dogs don't have many links. But they have very high quality niche related links. Think about it...
First off, much thanks to everyone in this thread. It is easily the most informative thread I've found here or BHW. Learned quite a lot.
For PBNs and (web2s as PBNs) do you link the individual blogs to each other? If so what kind of linking structure. I can't imagine all of the properties connect to each other, wouldn't that be an old fashioned Link Wheel?
If often read about purchasing niche high authority links ala carte but where can you find them? BHW marketplace? I always thought many of these types of purchased links where very shortlived. The lifetime guarentee seems to apply to very short life PBNs.
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@bokeboke - linking PBN sites together, no matter if domains or Web 2.0, is something you want to avoid at all costs. It creates huge footprint and simply shows it's a PBN and not real sites since it's not common in the normal world that all sites that link to you also link each other.
Make sure that you don't link your PBN. I'd also suggest linking to other sites that you don't own, so called authority sites. It looks more natural if site A links to 2-3 various sites, then your money site and then to another a few domains.
Now imagine if site A linked to your money site and site B. Site B linked to your money site and site C and so on. It's obvious it's a link wheel and uncle G doesn't like that stuff.
@bokeboke - You can buy links in all the major forums including Traffic Planet & BHW.
However, if you really plan on playing ball for the longer term, you want to start investing in your own private (read: non web2.0 real domains) that have great metrics.
I do both. What I really like about buying links is you can make an impact quickly without a lot of effort. What I don't like about buying links is the seller better be low-key and not a major public player in the market - or else they could get taken down...just like what happened this past week to a few players.
Never interlink your PBN. And never slam up the same set of links on each property. That would be like a bank robber leaving his business card on the floor of the vault. Not a great strategy.
Web 2.0 networks are still totally awesome. I know this from personal experience and my own results. They are much better than PBNs when set up and powered up correctly.the root domain authority is many magnitudes higher than your best PBN domain. The trick is not to spam them. I have seen impressive gains on monster keywords (400,000 searches a month) just using 2.0s. It's all about using unique relevant content and high quality GSA tiers. Build multipage properties with real content, power it up, and you will crush it. FYI: PBNs, Web 2.0s, GSA, etc, all work as long as you don's spam, over optimize, or leave a footprint. Shit in Shit out. LOL.
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edited September 2014
@molex the key in using Web 2.0 Network so that you actually experience it's power is in focusing on the quality of each property and gaining the authority through highly relevant content that is logically structured and obviously through some quality backlinks pointed to the Web 2.0's.
From my personal experience as well as consultation with other SEOs less is not only more, but less is better. What I'm trying to say is that getting 100 automatically created 1-page Web 2.0s with spun content for tier 1 (from which the half will get deleted within 2 weeks) and then blasting them with all you can probably won't lead you to the point you'd like to be at in the SERPS.
The age of the backlink and age of the site the backlink comes from plays a huge role. Five 6 months old blogs with 10 niche-related, quality articles on each will be worth far more than 50 created last week, filled out with spun crap.
Once played the right way, Web 2.0s Networks are great sources of backlinks for people that run campaigns on budget.
That's all based on my personal experience and research. Some may completely disagree with me and have totally different point of view. Therefore the best way to learn what works for you is to take action and invest in testing.
Nice discussion @sweeppicker @ @grax1. I think you guys are both on the money.
@Molex, I think @sweeppicker nailed it on the web2.0, so not much to add there. Just to explain, I have both, but my latest 'hot girlfriends' are private domains. It's just a phase I guess. I'm building out for the long-term on that side because, like you said, it costs money and time. And it isn't exactly easy. I prefer having both kinds of ammo hitting the money site.
yeah thats what i thought web 2.0 gets deleted in a short period of time if they are not unique and quality based web 2.0..
ive
been using fcs networker for my web 2.0 but it seems some of the
content gets deleted most of the time and links are not found...
@ron any chance of making a tutorial with fcsnetworker?
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FCS networker works fantastic but you should not depend on auto spinned articles, each article published on web 2.0 should be manually checked then it sticks. The first thing which I do after I create accounts with FCS is to manually login to each page, delete the default posts, change themes and post 1st article manually, then I submit several next articles without any backlinks, well spunned with Word AI turing, manually checked before submission, and till now most of the web 2.0 I treat that way stick. I have blasted them in the early days and it is true they get deleted very fast. The beauty of web 2.0 is they gaining organic traffic without any backlinks if you publish unique quality articles on them frequently, lets say wordpress.com, after 1st week in one niche I got 50-60 unique visitors/day from Search Engines without a single backlink. Then building quality backlinks to them will multiply the results. It really needs some effort its not rocket science but need patience and just some effort to get from them this what you need.
@Molex - We will take that under consideration as I have been seeing mention of that a lot. But don't forget to look it up on Youtube. There has to be a bunch of videos.
Our next tutorial is going to be on how to remove a Google penalty...based on actually doing it in real life.
Reup as well.....is this still a signature of yours @Ron that you will still use today? If not what has changed just speaking for yourself.
And if you still do this do you treat the Ti, T2, T3 like the are gold even though only T1 goes right to the money site? What I mean is on T2 and T3 do you set them up as if they were T1 style going to your money site?
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Recently, when doing keyword research I've found one parasite page and I haven't seen anyone talking about it on the SEO forums, but I've seen a guy ranking for some nice keyword - nothing huge, but definitely money keyword (and I knew this property for years, but the idea of using it for SEO haven't came to my mind for so long), so some people are already aware of this property, but it's definitely not well-known and I'm going to use this in the near future.
Sorry, I can't tell exactly which one it is, I hope you understand, but it's nothing like weebly, blogspot etc, it's something completely different - and I think that's the way to go nowadays, find something completely unpopular that isn't used by the majority of SEO's because when it is then it becomes a new target of Google.
@molex I'm not ron, but IMO once you've got killer PBN with great domains that have powerful backlinks then you don't really need any additional link building to it. At some point I thought about boosting my PBN with some GSA campaigns but these links tend to be spammy so I've decided not to di
I belive all NOFOLLOW platforms are a lot better for parasite pages as others cos they are not widely used to build backlink from (((: not as much as all dofollow sites right (:, I think it`s the good way to go if we talking about parasite pages, dont you think ?
If it was that easy and you could find out quickly what is the correct anchors percentage to rank then people would start to scale up to and there would be kind of blueprint to get tons of traffic - and ultimately turn that traffic into incredible amounts of money. Google is to greedy to let anyone do that, so every niche is different.
Campaign. Is it like this?
T1=pbn
T2=web 2.0s
T3 = ser
T1a=pbn
T2a= ser+ web 2.0?
T3a= ser?
From my personal experience as well as consultation with other SEOs less is not only more, but less is better. What I'm trying to say is that getting 100 automatically created 1-page Web 2.0s with spun content for tier 1 (from which the half will get deleted within 2 weeks) and then blasting them with all you can probably won't lead you to the point you'd like to be at in the SERPS.
The age of the backlink and age of the site the backlink comes from plays a huge role. Five 6 months old blogs with 10 niche-related, quality articles on each will be worth far more than 50 created last week, filled out with spun crap.
Once played the right way, Web 2.0s Networks are great sources of backlinks for people that run campaigns on budget.
That's all based on my personal experience and research. Some may completely disagree with me and have totally different point of view. Therefore the best way to learn what works for you is to take action and invest in testing.
ive been using fcs networker for my web 2.0 but it seems some of the content gets deleted most of the time and links are not found...
@ron any chance of making a tutorial with fcsnetworker?
And if you still do this do you treat the Ti, T2, T3 like the are gold even though only T1 goes right to the money site? What I mean is on T2 and T3 do you set them up as if they were T1 style going to your money site?