@2take2 Google can probably detect duplicate, but irrelevant and unreadable, I really don't think so. If it could do that then we could have computers that can have deep and meaningful conversations with us.
@Idontknow - I see what your saying, and I agree - if it's a long term site you would want your tier 1 to be as clean as possible, with anything untoward buried further down in your tiers away from prying eyes.
@2Take2 white is white and black si black. If will see that, will stop make mistakes, but what @sweeppiker said just make us dream and keep us searching impossible.
@sweeppiker start sell something cause you are so good twisting words(painting with words not colors).
@mooton, I would have thought that it would be pretty easy for an algo to detect if an article about something like 'golf', was linking to a page about something like 'online casinos'? In which case it would be dealt with when the algo looked at the IBLs of the actual site that it was linking to, devaluing any that were what it would consider to be 'irrelevant'?
Also, having relevant text surrounding your links is important (both for IBLs and internal links), and if it is relevant, i.e. has words that googlebot considers to be relevant to the overall theme of the page that it links to, it stands to reason that it will be more powerful.
One of the things that I should mention is that over a year ago, some of us that have been in this business a long time made some important changes to how we do tiers - mainly because of the changes to the algos.
It reached a point where SER-created T1's didn't work anymore. I know that I moved to Rankwyz to create my T1's originally. It worked for a while, but then it didn't.
So then I got way more aggressive about T1 quality, and switched my T1's to privately purchased and built domains. It made a huge difference.
This is one deal where you don't always know what you did right until you get there. If you go through the expense and trouble to buy domains, pay for hosting, etc., well, the last thing you are going to do is put up spun content. So you end up putting very high quality content because of all the work and cost involved. After all, why trash up a great aged domain?
The thing is that when I did that, I ended up switching out poor quality content for higher quality content. I kept thinking it was the domains. It really wasn't. It was a wholesale change in approach to quality. Not to mention turning that domain into a themed domain with at least 10 posts. So the approach was entirely different than a single-post web2.0.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with people on this or that theory. I went through considerable expense and effort to make the necessary changes. Quality does matter, and quality has many facets as I just outlined.
I'm not saying you can't somehow pick off a minor term and do well with just SER and spins. It is possible. I just don't think it is a great strategy if you really want to make money.
Of course you can do multiple posts on a lot of Web2.0's, so you don't need to go with private domains for a T1.
What I will say is that people should pay attention to what @sweeppicker and @2Take2 said in this thread. I've been doing this stuff since 1998. I know when people are speaking the truth. And yes, over the years, I have rolled my eyes at all the preachy white hat folks - while I was ranking and banking doing the exact opposite of what they said back then.
However, the conditions on the ground have changed, and hence, we need to change our ground games a bit.
I am agree what you are talking, and what 2take2 said, not with @sweeppicker. Even with T1 very expensive and very clean I saw after few months how money sites are sink to depths of google. Buit T1 just with SER and with links what we can find is not possible cause are to many like me around here, stupid and make huge mess blasting internet for nothing...maybe same lists worked 1-2 years ago.
@ron I'm building all my tier 1 properties on privately owned domains and web 2.0's using high quality content. I'd like to use SER for my T2 & T3. I was wondering what kind of content are you using for tier 2 properties and below? Is it okay to use articles generated from KM along with site lists from Serlists.com for T2 & T3?
Maybe i have missed this, if so I apologise. What approximately you spent on content on your tier 1? Do you buy new article for every new post? Thank you.
@kwangsgoal - They have deals where it is like 2 for 1, and I spent a bunch to lock that in. In any event, they are used a lot less than AB, so there is less potential for duplicate content.
The only way to prove that to yourself is to look up how many results appear in copyscape with AB vs TheLeadingArtcles.You will find that AB is totally saturated...you might as well buy PLR articles, lol. I have both, but in good conscience, I couldn't use AB on T1 - it just isn't unique enough.
I'd be interested in reading your premium tutorial you mentioned, but I dont want to buy the verified list. Is it possible just to purchase the literature? Shoot me a pm!
I have 2 sites that we're ranking around the top 40-50 spots for keywords. I am using Ron's tier structure and using fcs networker for the first tier (auto import into GSA with API). I'm getting about 40 links per minute on the 1st website campaign (3 tiers with kitchens sink). My rankings have plummeted in the last week to like 177 or just fell off the map completely. What is going on? I'm using instant indexer to index everything (no drip). Article Builder for for tier1, KM for 2 and 3 tiers. I have built about 130k links altogether. Any idea what is going on with this?
Just Curious. What do you guys use when you niche isn’t in leading articles, super spun articles or article builder? How do you handle the content then for Tier1? I'm stuck, my
As I've said before I use Super Spun Article. $69 for a Super Spun Article and I get up to 1000 submissions in FCS Networker from it.
They are manually spun and err on the side of readability. I even use them for PBN's, just run them off one by one then and check through adding an intro/outro to help with uniqueness and to add my personality to the mix.
For me beats pure auto created content hands down.
Hmmm. I must not be seeing something correctly when I go to super spun article. I just see where they give you the niches they already have. Ooops ^:)^ There is a website called superspunarticles.com with an (S) instead of the site you're talking about (superspunarticle.com). I was going to the wrong site. Hopefully posting this will help other people as well. It's easy to add the s on the end of it. Ok, that is a huge help. Thanks a lot Mitch. You're always on point man.
I’m confused. I have a question on keywords pertaining to tiers.
So for an example let’s say my main keyword is “flashlight kit” and the domain is flashlightexperts.com. Do you build Tier 1 (money site) backlinks with URL, branding urls, naked url & Generic links only? You don’t use any anchor text with main keyword in it. Correct?
Then on tier2 (contextuals), and tier 3(contextuals)I should use my main and secondary keywords (keywords I actually want to rank for) such as flashlight kit, red flashlight kit, buy flashlight kit, ect.. So then the kitchen sink (tier1A, tier2A,tier3A) I would just spam with all the anchor text links pertaining to my niche that you can? Is thiscorrect?
How many keywords do you use onthe contextual tier2 and tier3 links?
Maybe I just have it all wrong here? your opinion or guidance is greatly appreciated man. thanks
@seo_gladiator First thing to do is some competitor analysis. There isn't a right answer when it comes to main keyword density, it depends on the keyword.
If you analyse the top 10 SERPS for your keyword you will see what main keyword density Google is rewarding. In fact you will also see what other SEO strategies Google is rewarding for that keyword. So first step: competitor analysis. Google is actually telling you what they want to see if you do some digging.
I then use that as my guide with anything from 3-10% main keyword being a normal spread (but you will be amazed at what some still get away with!). Then the rest of T1 backlinks (LSI, url, brand, generic, etc) spread out to roughly match %'s on those sites already ranking in Google for that keyword.
This may not be the way that someone else does it but it's the way that works for me, hope it helps.
T2 and T3 I tend to keep the same ratios but haven't really tested what happens if I don't.
I'm taking fcs networker and building out 10 to 15 links a day for one of my sites as tier1. Then importing Fcs Networker links into GSA and using for tier2 and tier3 (contextuals) with KM spun content. I'm building 10 links a day to those tiers with kitchen sinks on all tiers with 10 a day set for them as well. This site was on page 4 for a keyword that I was using a PBN to rank before I started the FCS Networker and GSA campaign for this site and now the rankings have dropped to like page 13 and just staying there for like 8 days now.
Is this normal? I guess I worry about FCS Networker links since they have no page rank? Does this effect rankings at first until all the links kick in from the other tier link building?
I go full bore on T2/T3 for kws, hundreds of LSI keywords. I don't care about kw spamming on lower tiers, THEY are my churn and burn properties as I run many x the amount of T1 links. Just my 2c.
I have been using FCS Networker for 18+ months now and have built up a set of 1000+ sites with 12+month age and PA of 30+. These rank like its 2005!
I do use quality hand-spun content from Super Spun Article at this level, it has to be 100% readable and relevant, no auto spun crap.
I also use FCS Networker to add backlinks to my own PBN. Then GSA to them at T3 now.
I am sure Google is now looking at T2 content the same way it has been looking at T1 content more closely, hence my reason to use FCS at T2 as well as some at T1 for link diversity. I often now also use FCS at T3 to FCS at T2 and move GSA and any auto spun stuff back to T4. May be overkill, but better safe than sorry has always served me well in SEO.
I use Wicked Article Creator for my GSA content, works great for me for a small one time fee, but I would never let this near my FCS sites.
We need to start thinking about our T2 sites as protectively as we have been thinking about our T1 PBN's.
We need to realise that SEO is not a free traffic source, nor has it ever been. It took a large investment of time and money to establish my FCS Web 2.0's and PBN as I am sure it has for you.
It now takes an extra investment to ensure my T1 and T2 get good quality content. We just have to bite the bullet and get on with it. Trying to cut corners is just going to throw away any investments already made; for what?
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Also, having relevant text surrounding your links is important (both for IBLs and internal links), and if it is relevant, i.e. has words that googlebot considers to be relevant to the overall theme of the page that it links to, it stands to reason that it will be more powerful.
Even with T1 very expensive and very clean I saw after few months how money sites are sink to depths of google.
Buit T1 just with SER and with links what we can find is not possible cause are to many like me around here, stupid and make huge mess blasting internet for nothing...maybe same lists worked 1-2 years ago.
I'd be interested in reading your premium tutorial you mentioned, but I dont want to buy the verified list. Is it possible just to purchase the literature? Shoot me a pm!
Thanks bud
Just Curious. What do you guys use when you niche isn’t in
leading articles, super spun articles or article builder? How do you handle the content then for Tier1? I'm stuck, my
Hmmm. I must not be seeing something correctly when I go to super spun article. I just see where they give you the niches they already have. Ooops ^:)^ There is a website called superspunarticles.com with an (S) instead of the site you're talking about (superspunarticle.com). I was going to the wrong site. Hopefully posting this will help other people as well. It's easy to add the s on the end of it. Ok, that is a huge help. Thanks a lot Mitch. You're always on point man.
I assume you just spin the intros as well?
Thanks Mitch. I have another question.
I’m confused. I have a question on keywords pertaining to tiers.
So for an example let’s say my main keyword is “flashlight kit” and the domain is flashlightexperts.com. Do you build Tier 1 (money site) backlinks with URL, branding urls, naked url & Generic links only? You don’t use any anchor text with main keyword in it. Correct?
Then on tier2 (contextuals), and tier 3(contextuals)I should use my main and secondary keywords (keywords I actually want to rank for) such as flashlight kit, red flashlight kit, buy flashlight kit, ect.. So then the kitchen sink (tier1A, tier2A,tier3A) I would just spam with all the anchor text links pertaining to my niche that you can? Is thiscorrect?
How many keywords do you use onthe contextual tier2 and tier3 links?
Maybe I just have it all wrong here? your opinion or guidance is greatly appreciated man. thanks
First thing to do is some competitor analysis. There isn't a right answer when it comes to main keyword density, it depends on the keyword.
I'm taking fcs networker and building out 10 to 15 links a day for one of my sites as tier1. Then importing Fcs Networker links into GSA and using for tier2 and tier3 (contextuals) with KM spun content. I'm building 10 links a day to those tiers with kitchen sinks on all tiers with 10 a day set for them as well. This site was on page 4 for a keyword that I was using a PBN to rank before I started the FCS Networker and GSA campaign for this site and now the rankings have dropped to like page 13 and just staying there for like 8 days now.
Is this normal? I guess I worry about FCS Networker links since they have no page rank? Does this effect rankings at first until all the links kick in from the other tier link building?