no-one here is saying that black hat is the only way.. I for one do the regular SEO, tier building etc etc on other sites, which is great for long-term etc..
BUT, if this 'age-old' method that you despise is still working for people, and suits short-term domain users like me, then why the hell not. I currently have almost 30 domains in the top 5 spots and each one is making money.. so anyone that tries to say that's not right or I shouldn't do that is an absolute idiot.
+1 @InSaNe for saying what it is: a short term strategy. As long as people know that, then all is well.
There are plenty of people that take the approach of churn and burn. What's even crazier than that strategy - is that sometimes the ranking stick far beyond what should be expected.
This is not something you do for your most treasured sites. But it is a viable strategy so long as you have the proper mindset.
You may have motivated me to branch out and create some throw away sites.
Let me share an idea I had THAT WORKED! I produced 2 similar sites for a niche. 1 quick ranking churn and burn site that earned me money for 6 weeks at number 2 spot. Took 2 weeks to rank. And 1 slow drip fed site (aka @ron's method) that earns me money and is at number 3 spot now that took 2 months to rank. Best of both worlds + a lot of fun. Bottom line is I am 2K richer than if I'd had built just the 1 drip fed site. I tried it and it worked. Guess what I'm doing now?!
Sneaky Update - don't wanna cause mayhem in this thread, but, I started my experiment so I will at least keep reporting results. Site has moved to 5 for the main keyword and I am getting a little bit of traffic from related words. Taken 3 weeks so far.
@seagul: you want to say that you have ranked completely new site in 2 weeks using brute force spam and this site was ranking for 6 weeks and you earned 2k just from this site?? And have you stopped building links after this 2 weeks?
And this second site with slow tiered backlinking - is it still nr 3 for your KW?
@traged my quick site disappeared after 6 weeks. I didn't just spam it I built as many quality links as I could possibly get out of SER as quickly as possible on all platforms for the whole 8 weeks. I also built manual web 2.0 links. (This was before jameses web 2.0 service). I was just testing the waters where churn & burn sites are concerned and it went well for me.
@yavuz - try several domains at different times, not sure what you've done but like I said, probably 50% of my domains never pop up So its probably worth trying a few rather than hoping for one - will only take you an extra 15mins and a few more dollars...
@ron, the funny thing is, my original spammed domain from this entire thread, is still ranking #1 and #2 for keywords.. and that must have been a couple of months already..
@crownvic - Thanks! Do you use the full allocated number of adverts? i.e. 3 graphic and 3 link per page? Have you found any particular positions are better in your experience?
(you have a large number of sites and experience on this, and would love you input here...I'm in phase of testing out different combinations/placements of adverts on different sites)
@AlexR, I have no idea :-) I don't like micro-management, thats why I hire people. My local manager is testing things and maximizing revenue, he also get some % for that.
@sobiman, Google doesn't care if you aren't breaking their TOS. I also don't care about taxes :-) I'm in Russia, they just don't care if you manage to cash out less than $20,000 per month from your bank account. So I split payments between relatives. That's a great way to forget about taxes.
As for Skimlink/Viglinks - I always test. A week with Adsense against a week with S/V.
@crownvic, sorry I did not clarify. I don't know how it works in Russia, but here in Canada you can set up sole proprietorship ($40) and then you can set up bank accounts with that document. I did not mean that this is a tax issue. So there is a way (here) to get more adsense accounts without relying on others.
So adsense vs. vig, have you found which one performs better generally.
@insane . . . I wasn't referring to the content on your backlink tiers, I was wondering about the content on your actual money site . . . is it original or spun?
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+1 @InSaNe for saying what it is: a short term strategy. As long as people know that, then all is well.
There are plenty of people that take the approach of churn and burn. What's even crazier than that strategy - is that sometimes the ranking stick far beyond what should be expected.
This is not something you do for your most treasured sites. But it is a viable strategy so long as you have the proper mindset.
You may have motivated me to branch out and create some throw away sites.
I can't stop reading all these threads..my eyes are burning!
And this second site with slow tiered backlinking - is it still nr 3 for your KW?
thanks
i still have almost no increase at visitor count
also rankings were dropped but there are some slow recovery
still continuing backlinking
used alot of articles and web2.0 (some hand made most with help of ACW and local articles)
So its probably worth trying a few rather than hoping for one - will only take you an extra 15mins and a few more dollars...