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have you ever ranked using GSA SER?

have you ever ranked using GSA SER on a competition keyword like 100k Monthly Searches and using GSA SER alone on link building? 

if yes with?
>premium list?
>tons of private proxies?
>using tiers? for tier 2-3-4's only?
>tons of well spun content?



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  • spunko2010spunko2010 Isle of Man
    edited November 2013
    I think the question should be, "have you ever not ranked..." ;) I can rank a site at number 1 for a 200k monthly fairly easily. I don't usually bother with T3 unless it's tough. Non-english sites though.. that's another matter.
  • How long you see the result and average how many backlink you generate per day?
  • @spunko how long the backlinking process ? can you list down a tutorial or something stating how exactly you did it? :)
  • I am running gsa for almost a month now and struggling to get rank a 100k monthly search english keyword... 
  • 3 months for me struggling to get page 1 for only 5k-14k 8 diff kws.
  • Actually since the latest G peng update I'm unable to rank any new sites. They always get stuck on Page 2 or 3 so I'm wondering how anybody else is doing (I'm using only contextual links for tier 1 and PR 2+ 50 obl). Not seeing any progress.
  • me too and the same with everyone else i know which is why i think spunko is lying to try and impress us all with his e penis!
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    edited November 2013
    I've done tests in the same niche with multiple sites (just using GSA SER) - some get stuck on page 2, some don't, it's weird, and I'm not sure why.

    Not the end of the world though, as 9 times out of 10 you can still get them to rank on page 1 either by using other tools/link sources, or by just being a bit creative with how you game the freshness algo.




  • I have same situation . My guess is thst many links not getting indexed , so that's my new priority . Get control over verified links get indexed.
  • @dimirtri I have worked with indexing service and nothing special happened only few climbs, not even page 3...
  • Here's my rankings on 1 server.  Just from SER

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  • @2Take2

    Whats your suggestion to push them to page 1? Any specific tricks that worked?

    and @PeterParker  lol at the e penis!
  • @Hunar What's your technique. What did you find worked well and what didn't?
  • what I ask may sound silly!!
    "I can rank a site at number 1 for a 200k monthly fairly easily"  what is the 200K means?

  • @andy1024 200k means 200,000 monthly searches for a specific keyword.
  • so some post their great results... I wish some as well will donate some knowledge here:)
  • Hunar  are you buying private list? settings you use? and base on your screenshot how much the competition? really great results..
  • @spunko2010 yes please would you sheare some tactics with us
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    edited November 2013
    The simplest way to increase rankings is SER is not enough is to rent high PR links.
    You can also build high quality manual web 2.0's, pdf submissions, video submissions, article directories, press releases etc. You can get the last ones from Fiverr.

    For me, SER is sometimes enough to reach page one but sometimes not. If it's not enough you must add higher quality links. SEO is about quality and quantity, SER provides quantity for sure but not always quality and PR +1 or whatever on SER is not real quality (before someone suggests using that setting ;)) )
  • guys...all the settings and methods for ranking are already on the forum. You just have to search for those nuggets of goodness, write them down, and then test, test, test. That's what I did and I'm ranking sites like a baus.
  • edited November 2013
    Lets see some other ppls ranks since guy above started, here is mine for my main site im working on...: bit.ly/1dVXrFF Gooner I agree I bet that is one of the best ways but I dont have the money for pricey links blog networks :( As you can see what seems to be happening is im spinning my wheels as the month ago rank is the same as what it is now for most kws.
  • sammicurr @peterparker @2take2
    1. Google has an algorithm to downgrade display of two results from the same website on the same page. 
    If your TIER 1 websites have the same keywords (in title, tags, description) than your moneysite, Google may perhaps do the same. 

    2. Matt Cutts said: "Usually, the higher the pagerank of your incoming links is, the higher your rank". So, i guess that people who don't use TIER building rank less well. For instance, if you get your link juice directly from blog comments. 
  • i have seen few people using GSA SER not even ranked and some claimed ranking using GSA ser alone which i hardly doubt... and quite a lot of people suggest differently, oppositely to each and everyone.... best thing to do is TEST.... oh well...
  • edited November 2013
    I don't use premium lists of anyone.  I create my own lists not with Scrapebox or anything just SER.

    And as far as the keywords I go after they range anywhere from 2 mill competing pages to 100k.  I Don't do anything to different than what a lot of others here have suggested. More specifically @ron His posts are gold. :)

    One main thing I try to focus on a lot is On page seo.   I had always thought that if your onpage SEO is good.  You only need some links here and there and you'll rank pretty easily. 

    @jamesmurren and Yes I would agree,  that is the one major thing you always do is Test.  I have about 1000+ sites.  and I do sooooooo many tests.  Even when something clicks and ranks really well,  I still test.
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    edited November 2013
    @peterparker - I'll play...

    Both sites are about 1 month old and I only used GSA SER on them.

    The site at the top is targeting 2 terms (the ones with the highest volume), and is in a niche where the top 2 pages are dominated by .gov domains.

    The site at the bottom, although low volume brings in the equivalent of £50 worth of PPC traffic every day.

    Still some work to be done, but just wanted to show that you can see page 1 with GSA SER.

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  • edited November 2013
    It's definitely possible to rank sites using only SER. I have sites in medium-high competition niches which rank just fine using only SER. I'm sure a lot of other people can rank without problems using just SER. You have to learn the basics first and understand how stuff works. As @Hunar said I also focus on onpage too, do a little interlinking (and other onpage stuff) on each site, because it definitely helps. I also scrape a lot each day, create my own footprints, because more sites => better rankings. I try to use other linkbuilding tools too, just to diversify my links, but have sites which rank for good volume keywords (100K+ ) only using SER. So it definitely works, you just have to learn to use it properly.
  • @2take2

    1 month is not enough...

    Count at least between 45 days to 2 month and a half.

    I have been fortunate enough to see that google take 45 days to take new links into account.
  • edited November 2013
    Cheers @2take2, it is inspiring to see some solid stats of gsa alone. Do you care to share your linking structure. mine has been just one tier so maybe there is soemthing to what guy abov is saying about tiered structures working better due to pagerank.. tho i have anotehr site im doing some tiering and it isnt faring much better so it just seems like the usual russian routllete
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    edited November 2013
    @Peterparker - no worries, you're welcome.

    The sites didn't really get any special treatment, but the onpage SEO was solid and tailored towards what the top sites in the niche were doing.- this is very important, if you don't feed the robot what it wants you will always struggle to see page 1.

    The first site was given a single blast of (Mixed) links then left for a couple of weeks until it settled/got stuck on page 2. I then updated the content and blasted it again, which made it dance around a bit (like +/- 50 places) until it settled on page 1 

    The second site was just given 1 overnight blast of mixed links and left alone. It danced around a bit, ranked on page 1 after a week, and then continued to climb to where it is now.

    Please bear in mind that these were throw away non branded sites though, so depending on what you're trying to rank a different approach might be necessary, and also that this approach didn't work on every site that I tried it on, with other sites needing some of the treatment that @gooner mentioned in his earlier post.

    Tiered link structures also still seems to work, but it seems (at least to me?) to take longer to see results than it used to, with link velocity and indexing needing to be kept an eye on. 

    As others have said, just take ideas that you see around, test them, adapt them, see what works, and run with it.

    @bloupbloup - I normally see results from links to my money sites within about 3 days to 2 weeks, but as you say, I have also seen it take much longer, particularly when using tiered link structures.

  • spunko2010spunko2010 Isle of Man
    edited November 2013
    If I posted my methods then I would just be repeating what about 10-15 other 'power users' here have said and discussed at great length. You really need to take the time to read and re-read the threads. I don't know why some sites rank and some don't but I'm pretty sure on-site SEO has a lot to do with it too. And if you are not ranking for one method then try another.. The definition of stupidity by Einstein etc. And finally site speed. If your site takes >4s to load then forget ranking. :)
  • @2take2 what software are you using in your screenshot to obtain the google position? Always wondered this.
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    Looks like serpfox to me
  • @spunko2010 - as above its a cropped screen shot from serpfox.

    If you don't like monthly fees, the (free) seobook rank tracker plugin for firefox works quite well, although you have to up the delay a bit to stop your IP getting dinged all the time. 
  • spunko2010  thanks . I think  this concerns about not going over page 2 -3 is good thing , we have people (like me ) joined not so long time ago , we not making money yet but making progress with SER , this a good thing . Jest another small obstacle I think , can be overcomed with time and more testing .   Do you make link analysis , if yes what soft do you use ? And may be what are you looking  for there  ?  tnx 
  • for ranking I found free  rank reporter plugin for wordpress . No problems, installed on every site of mine . Got payed Rank tracker soft but free plugin bits it till now  .
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    For those of you that are struggling, you need to experiment and see what works for you. I used the methods you can find on this forum as a guide and tested all aspects and changed what i didn't like, even now after doing seo for years i still test daily, that's what seo is all about.

    If you don't have money to buy tons of domains there is another way...

    Search some popular affiliate product names and on page one you will find interesting results, sites that allow users to post content for free. I'm not going to give away the sites names but seek and you shall find.

    So, if people can rank these free pages then i'm sure an SER user can too, plus you get to experiment for free.

    Not bad eh?
  • @gooner @2Take2 @evergreenman @Hunar

    Since everyone keeps talking about testing and how the forum already has all of the info, can someone link to areas in the forum they found most helpful in their linking strategy with ONLY SER and On-page techniques.

    If someone can link to the best linking methods and On-Page techniques that worked for them on the forum that would be greatly appreciated. Or at least a good place to start testing methods suggested on the forum.

    I've read a TON of information on the forum and have adapted many of the techniques from tiered links, to SERengines web 2.0's, to contextual links for the first two tiers and I always get stuck on Page 2 or 3 of G. Some specifics or at least specific areas on the forum to learn from would be very helpful.

    I've read some area on the forum about On-Page techniques but it is quite hard to follow let alone apply.

    Not asking for anyone to do the work for us who are struggling but just asking for a specific point in the right direction to learn ourselves.
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    hey @sammicurr

    This thread has links to all the tier info: https://forum.gsa-online.de/discussion/3204/my-compiled-list-of-tips-notes-threads-resources-for-using-ser/p1

    Personally i don't find the suggested links per day are getting rankings as quickly as i would like, so i increase it usually to about 30 - 50 submitted per day on tier 1, but of course you do so at your own risk.

    Here'a a good thread about on-page seo: https://forum.gsa-online.de/discussion/5792/how-do-you-guys-do-onpage-seo-now/p1

    I have tried a couple of things from that thread recently and it did improve rankings with no extra backlinks, so well worth reading.

    Hope that helps.
  • edited November 2013
    @gooner

    Thank you. That was exactly what I was looking for.
    All that mention of "silo" on the On-Page guide is quite confusing.

  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    @sammicurr - You're welcome.

    Yea i haven't got into the silo thing, i mostly build smaller sites so not really that easy to make a silo structure, i'm going to build a new site and test the theory when i get around to it though.

    I had to re-read it a few times to get the idea but once you understand the concept it's pretty simple - Just hard to put into words i guess.
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    @sammicurr - One more thing i wanted to tell you.., For the sites on page 2/3, go to fiverr and buy a 3 tier blast (like web 2.0's, wiki's etc) - That blast should give you a nice boost, if you need more try some of the other links i suggested above a week or two later.

    You can usually push it to page one doing little blasts like that and then SER should be enough to keep you there. If all that fails then i go for high pr links.
  • @gooner

    I'll re-read that post allot just to get it and apply it. Thanks again.

    What is your %verified  with that 30-50 submitted on tier 1?
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    @sammicurr - Usually 50 - 80%, i've just trimmed the engines to use only the most successful so now it is on the high side of those numbers.
  • @gooner

    Thanks again for the help. One thing I get confused about is the amount of submitted on tier 1 when using a tiered stucture like Ozz's suggestion . Would it be 30-50 submitted for just the tier 1 or for the "Secondary Links -PR3+" as well? So is it 30-50 total for all links to the money site or just the Tier 1 Contextual?
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    Well i build only contextual links for tier 1/money site. So for me 30 - 50 is the total.

    I wouldn't go much higher than that no matter what type of links you build. So yea 30 - 50 grand total.
  • @gooner

    Thank you so much for all of your help and really pointing me in the right direction. Thanks!
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    @sammicurr - No problem, you're welcome.
  • spunko2010spunko2010 Isle of Man
    edited November 2013
    @dimitribanks I don't use any analytics software, all I'm interested in is conversions and money. If my site gets 10k visitors one day this may sound good but what if another day it gets 5k to another page and makes me 2x as much money. I never understood why people get so hung up over page views or whether they are position 4 or 5. Also as I have emphasises before you need to experiment. @gooner says above s/he does 50 contextual links, but others have found great success with doing 4000 links/day. It really depends on your niche and what works for you. You need to diversify if you want to survive Penguin 3.0. :) I have 3-4 different approaches across 10 or so websites. Hopefully Google won't hit me too hard next time.
  • 50 links per day or 50 links and then stop and build tiers to it ? Thanks spunko am on my way ;)
  • Test test test :D
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    what @spunko2010 said is spot on, depends on niche, depends on factors we have no knowledge of to be honest.

    I start with 30 - 50 per day and review on a monthly basis, it's just a starting point.

    Sometimes a site goes straight to page one (rarely) in which case i lower the links per day.

    Sometimes is ranks badly, so i increase or add high quality links.

    If you are new to all this, just experiment and be prepared to kill a few sites, i still kill sites to this day :D
    It happens, after some time you will develop an instinct for what works for you and what to do next
  • It's about a lot more than links though... Links are jsut part of SER setup... What about your content? The email addresses you use? The captcha's you use/don't use? Your follow/dofollow %'s. Your anchor text %'s What platforms you hit. Your indexing methods... etc etc...

    All of these things are pieces of the puzzle.
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    edited November 2013
    @meatplow - That's all true, so what are your recommendations on those factors?
  • edited November 2013
    @gooner
    @spunko2010

    Do you use human readable content for tier 1 links?
    How long does it take to first start seeing movements with the links created through GSA SER?
    How do you counter link loss (negative link velocity) after you have created numerous links?

    @everyone

    Any ideas?
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    edited November 2013
    hey @splendour.

    100% yes to human readable content.

    It's hard to say about how long to see movement, sometimes a week or two... Usually within a month or two. But since the last Google update i'm not seeing much movement on new sites. Hoping this will return to normal soon or i'll have to re-assess each stage of the process.

    For link loss, i have a lot of sites to manage so i don't even look at it unless there is an obvious problem with the rankings. But you can increase the number of links of course, depending on how many you are building already.

    As an example i once handed over a site to a freelancer who apparently "knew SEO" - He "accidentally" built 30,000 links to the site in one month!!! I'm not kidding, it went straight to rank 1 but how can you deal with negative link velocity with those kind of numbers? lol

    I countered it with higher quality links and it dipped but returned to page one a few times and all was good for almost a year, then it got decimated in the last G update.

    Since then i've just been building steady links and it has returned to page one for 3 of the 8 keywords, the others are rank 50 - 65 still.

    So, i suggest more links and/or quality links and then change it up based on the results you get. Sorry i couldn't give you a more definite answer.

  • @gooner - have you tried giving your new sites a gentle spam blast to get Google to take notice of them?

    Nothing sinister, just a couple of 1000 mixed links in one hit as soon as you put the site live seems to do the trick.

    Better to let them index naturally though.

  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    @2take2 - I have done that in the past, but i'm a little bit afraid to go there at the mo.

    I got off lightly on the last update and didn't want to push my luck... Have you still been doing that recently with no ill effects?
  • @Gonner do you outsource your articles to be used on the blast? If not where do you get articles?
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    edited November 2013
    I do it with every site that I build, and have never had any problems to date (except when I sent them all to be indexed at once).

    There does however seem to be a ceiling on what you can get away with in what time frame.

    That being said, I don't sell SEO services, so if it was a client's site I probably wouldn't do it just to be on the safe side.


  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    edited November 2013
    Thanks @2take2 - Time to give it a go i reckon. Any reason why you go for mixed links rather than contextuals only? Just link diversity?

    @jamesmurren - I use article builder. It's almost $200 for a yearly subscription but it does the job for me, takes about 30 seconds to generate 20 articles spun together for around 60 - 100% uniqueness, depending on settings.

    The only downside is that it doesn't cover every niche. In that scenario i just choose a niche as close as possible and it doesn't seem to make any difference to results.

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