@Tim89 The links are the same to G, obviously, but that wasn't what I was referring to.
As you alluded to in your previous post, any tool will only output what you put into it.
I'm obviously not going to come on a GSA forum and critisise one of their programs, but there are reasons why I personally find other tools better (or more user friendly, if you like?) for tier1.
BTW I think that if any of us get a manual review, we're screwed either way, regardless
No, no software can truely automate a human passable tier 1 link, that much is very true.
My arguement is, what's the point of automation if you're only doing it half hearted, I've got a few sites earning me close to £150 a day purely on automation...
Did I create my tier 1 with any special program? no, simply used GSA.
Senuke xCr is not worth 147 dollars a month, full stop.
Do I have sites that I've hand built some tier 1's as well as used GSA? yes, I do, they are very much alive and kicking.
But to put it simply, a tier 1 pr 6 link is a tier 1 pr 6 link, however when being read or moderated or looked into, it will not pass as human written or human made, profiles will have mistakes, themes will not be changed etc etc...
I don't even think platform variations even matter to be honest! how can the g bot really know what platform everything is.. sure there are some known footprints, but thats a flaw in itself, because if go0gle notices footprints for platforms, then we can use footprints to get our sitelists!
I think the main factor that is quite dangerous when using GSA to build tier 1's is how rapid it can build those tier 1's, but if you set the filters correctly and PR's etc, it'll be fine, if anything it would be much more powerful than those other tools.
That's even assuming that a PR6 domain has any bearing at all on your link which is actually on a PR0 page. In my testing it has little or no impact.
Let's face it, SER and all similar tools build junk links - But junk links are often enough to rank on their own and if the tool is 100% automated then all the better!
The only things I could possibly think of would be this;
People rather pay money for their tier1 links on blog networks, they think this is 'safe' well it's not, you've paid for it, it's not 'safe'
reasons for paying for your links? blog networks are taken care of, they have authority within which ever niche you're in, applying a tier 1 link within one of those blogs would save you tons and tons of time and effort creating authority on a shitty tier 1 link you've just created, but, you pay for it.
besides blog networks, I don't really get why people choose other automation softwares over other automation softwares when creating tier 1's.
it's like saying, I want to eat a black chicken, instead of a brown one.
IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME! unless you were to have a manual review in which case, blog network, senuke, UD, whatever, you'll get thrown away, so why does it matter.
@gooner what would happen if you created a mediocre tier 1, let's say pr 3 link, sure it may be a junk link, as you said, there all shite as fuck.
What if you utilise all these shit links and create authority, because that's what we're really doing, we're creating authority for our tier 1 links.
It's as simple as that, use automation to build 10 tier 1's then use automation to build 1,000 links to those 10 which eventually will make it an authority based around that subject (in the eyes of the SE's) it's PR will increase over time, boom, 6 months down the line, what was a shite link, just turned into a PR4 link.
I don't mind creating my own link sources, naturing them for a couple of months until they evolve into full grown PR authoritive big boy links.
Lets say you got yourself some fancy high pr links and they got indexed and you were to shoot onto the first page, woohoo, lets say that link then gets deleted, boom your on page 45.
My point was simply that I prefer to use other tools (not the stupidly over priced Senuke BTW) to build my tier1s, as I don't find SER ideal for the task.
@2Take2 what ever floats your boat, I'm simply pointing out clear facts on all these software do exactly the same things and leave footprints anyways...
@tim89 - I just use SER as junk links nothing else. I see what you're getting at but for authority type links i use manual web 2.0's with lost of articles, bit like mini authority sites and then spam them to build up the PR and give me high PR, authority and contextual links. I also build private blog networks for the same purpose.
My theory is that link quality and link quantity are what really matters. So manual for link quality and SER for link quantity.
But, in reality no one really knows what Google can or can't do - We only know our own experience and my experience tells me to keep things as simple as possible, because over-complicating does not produce better results or at least not better enough to make it worth my time.
But like i said that's just my experience, others will disagree i know
@gooner, so what are the higher quality t1 links you use that no software can produce? you mean you do it manually?
also, without meaning to hijack the thread, but what is the purpose or meaning behind the displayed box just to the right of the project box, directly underneath the start/stop, options, etc buttons? i thought at first that it was the urls being submitted to, but then noticed that i said only pr1 or better, and this list has many pr0 and pr n/a?
@squawk12000 - web 2.0 properties (authority web 2.0 sites), high PR blog links (build yourself or rent links). Video submissions to high PR sites, even doc sharing i use sometimes.
But i should mention, i only add those if the automated links are not doing the job ranking the site.
The box you mentioned contains the verified links. You are seeing pr0 and pr n/a there probably because you choose PR on the sub-domain of site? Or even if you choose PR on the page of site it doesn't filter them very well i noticed.
Change to PR of domain and you should have more accurate results.
@gooner, it *IS* and always has been set to domain of SITE, not PAGE, i learned that one early on. just curious about that aspect.
ok understood about the high PR sites, i have access to a blog network of several dozen sites from pr2 to pr6, but using gsa to provide more links overall as well as link diversity.
@tim89 - I thought about that, but i see a lot of complaining that it doesn't work or doesn't work very well. So i haven't tried it yet... Do you recommend?
@squawk1200 - I don't use the PR filtering any more, so i can't really comment on how accurate it is. As @tim89 said, i was just going by your earlier screenshot.
@Tim89, damn, you are right. At some point with the edits I've been doing here, I guess I changed that back to PR of domain but I had to go back to my screenshot cuz I (should) know better than that.
What about what to check for what to use proxies for; ie, submissions, pr check, verification, and timeout to wait is at 60. but i've noticed a few times in the past 24-some hours (including just a minute ago) that all 70 proxies had been turned off, presumably banned? i test them again, 68 of 70 test fine and it starts up again when the proxy testing is done, but what's happening that is causing those proxies to tank? or (entirely possible) are they garbage private proxies? (half from the vps service, half from newipnow).
@Tim89 I agree with most of what you are saying about automating the whole process etc., and I agree that if you build links how you describe then SER is actually probably better even than some of the other tools, even though they all do pretty much the same thing.
Personally I build my tier1s with manually spun content, and for that purpose I stand by what I said about SER not being ideal for the task. - Horses for courses, I guess?
The light is starting to shine. So for Tier 1 links, *PERHAPS* other tools might be better, or even manual submissions, because it is difficult at best to have GSA specifically submit to the "name brand big boy" sites with lots of PR. But once you have those Tier 1 links built, *THEN* it becomes a piece of cake to have GSA create Tier 2 through Tier N links because now you just want the link juice and strengthening power and are no longer concerned about posting to "name brand big boy" sites.
@2Take2 it's not really the tools or softwares fault, it's the person behind it to be honest, you could demolish a site with these tools and you can rank anything with them - in time..
I don't hand spin any of my content, it's all generated from article builder, it's actually perfectly readable content.
@gooner SERengines, is okay I guess... I think it's around 8 quid a month and does get you tumblr,tripod,blogger,pure volume links, basically what senuke can get you..
It's a bit hit and miss but it's only 8 quid so it's better than not having the capability.. Give it a go, I've only just recently tested it for a certain keyword, run a special tier 1 campaign to generate the tier 1's for that particular keyword and I am now hitting those tier 1's with my sitelist, early days for results though.
@2Take2 nope! you can generate content from within SER but it only uses 1 article, I much prefer to actually login via the web browser and select 20 articles with other options in ArticleBuilder then simply copy and paste the article over to my campaigns, it is time consuming but worth it.
@2take2 and @tim89 - Article builder can generate up to a 20 article spin within SER, you just choose how many you want. I use it and it's doing fine for me, but it does have limited niches.
@tim89 - Yea i understand, i use article builder for content for web 2.0's and private blog network and do the same. But for SER i just go for the quick option tbh.
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As you alluded to in your previous post, any tool will only output what you put into it.
I'm obviously not going to come on a GSA forum and critisise one of their programs, but there are reasons why I personally find other tools better (or more user friendly, if you like?) for tier1.
BTW I think that if any of us get a manual review, we're screwed either way, regardless
My arguement is, what's the point of automation if you're only doing it half hearted, I've got a few sites earning me close to £150 a day purely on automation...
Did I create my tier 1 with any special program? no, simply used GSA.
Senuke xCr is not worth 147 dollars a month, full stop.
Do I have sites that I've hand built some tier 1's as well as used GSA? yes, I do, they are very much alive and kicking.
But to put it simply, a tier 1 pr 6 link is a tier 1 pr 6 link, however when being read or moderated or looked into, it will not pass as human written or human made, profiles will have mistakes, themes will not be changed etc etc...
I don't even think platform variations even matter to be honest! how can the g bot really know what platform everything is.. sure there are some known footprints, but thats a flaw in itself, because if go0gle notices footprints for platforms, then we can use footprints to get our sitelists!
I think the main factor that is quite dangerous when using GSA to build tier 1's is how rapid it can build those tier 1's, but if you set the filters correctly and PR's etc, it'll be fine, if anything it would be much more powerful than those other tools.
So what's the point in making your tier 1's, it makes no sense.
In my testing it has little or no impact.
Let's face it, SER and all similar tools build junk links - But junk links are often enough to rank on their own and if the tool is 100% automated then all the better!
People rather pay money for their tier1 links on blog networks, they think this is 'safe' well it's not, you've paid for it, it's not 'safe'
reasons for paying for your links? blog networks are taken care of, they have authority within which ever niche you're in, applying a tier 1 link within one of those blogs would save you tons and tons of time and effort creating authority on a shitty tier 1 link you've just created, but, you pay for it.
besides blog networks, I don't really get why people choose other automation softwares over other automation softwares when creating tier 1's.
it's like saying, I want to eat a black chicken, instead of a brown one.
IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME! unless you were to have a manual review in which case, blog network, senuke, UD, whatever, you'll get thrown away, so why does it matter.
What if you utilise all these shit links and create authority, because that's what we're really doing, we're creating authority for our tier 1 links.
It's as simple as that, use automation to build 10 tier 1's then use automation to build 1,000 links to those 10 which eventually will make it an authority based around that subject (in the eyes of the SE's) it's PR will increase over time, boom, 6 months down the line, what was a shite link, just turned into a PR4 link.
Lets say you got yourself some fancy high pr links and they got indexed and you were to shoot onto the first page, woohoo, lets say that link then gets deleted, boom your on page 45.
@Tim89 You've lost me mate?
My point was simply that I prefer to use other tools (not the stupidly over priced Senuke BTW) to build my tier1s, as I don't find SER ideal for the task.
My theory is that link quality and link quantity are what really matters.
So manual for link quality and SER for link quantity.
But, in reality no one really knows what Google can or can't do - We only know our own experience and my experience tells me to keep things as simple as possible, because over-complicating does not produce better results or at least not better enough to make it worth my time.
But like i said that's just my experience, others will disagree i know
But i should mention, i only add those if the automated links are not doing the job ranking the site.
The box you mentioned contains the verified links. You are seeing pr0 and pr n/a there probably because you choose PR on the sub-domain of site? Or even if you choose PR on the page of site it doesn't filter them very well i noticed.
Change to PR of domain and you should have more accurate results.
ok understood about the high PR sites, i have access to a blog network of several dozen sites from pr2 to pr6, but using gsa to provide more links overall as well as link diversity.
here you go;
This screenshot you posted earlier: http://postimg.org/image/5npuuzxo1/
shows that you have selected "pr of SUBDOMAIN"
you don't want that one hehe
What about what to check for what to use proxies for; ie, submissions, pr check, verification, and timeout to wait is at 60. but i've noticed a few times in the past 24-some hours (including just a minute ago) that all 70 proxies had been turned off, presumably banned? i test them again, 68 of 70 test fine and it starts up again when the proxy testing is done, but what's happening that is causing those proxies to tank? or (entirely possible) are they garbage private proxies? (half from the vps service, half from newipnow).
squawk1200 Have sent you a PM
@Tim89 I agree with most of what you are saying about automating the whole process etc., and I agree that if you build links how you describe then SER is actually probably better even than some of the other tools, even though they all do pretty much the same thing.
Personally I build my tier1s with manually spun content, and for that purpose I stand by what I said about SER not being ideal for the task. - Horses for courses, I guess?
I don't hand spin any of my content, it's all generated from article builder, it's actually perfectly readable content.
It's a bit hit and miss but it's only 8 quid so it's better than not having the capability.. Give it a go, I've only just recently tested it for a certain keyword, run a special tier 1 campaign to generate the tier 1's for that particular keyword and I am now hitting those tier 1's with my sitelist, early days for results though.
Interesting, I've heard mixed reviews about article builder but I might have to check it out.
I take it that it has a template for SER?
Ok, thanks,
So, it's essentially an article repository that you get access to for a monthly fee?
I'll have a look at it Fellas.