So @ferryman and @ron. Just to make sure I understand (I built out my Tier 1 manually) so I only have a Tier 2 and Tier 3 in my campaign. So for in my case Tier 2 would use urls from tier 1. Tier 2 sidelinks would be separate profile that would use tier 2 verified links. Then for tier 2 I would use tier 2 verified links but not use the tier to secondary or side links?
very new to GSA (purchased yesterday) Obviously this thread is an incredible asset for someone in my position.
I did have a couple of questions hope you can help out with:
@ron provided I follow your teachings and build very patiently being very careful what links to the money site, what is the time frame you have seen sites keep rankings for. For example a classic churn and burn, could rank #1 for 2 weeks for payday loans, before being dropped/penalised. Using this method and being careful is it realistic to think that I could get a more permanant position in G i.e. 3-6 months, could it be the same as the churn and burn?
The thread is from early 2013, some concepts of SEO have changed a bit, did you have to change the structure much, or adapt it, i.e. factor in more social network signals such as G+, twitter, face book etc.. in order to adapt it to the times?
@gsanewb29 - Hell, I tend to go after very large terms (50,000+ exact matches), so my timetable tends to be 2-3 months. Now for much smaller terms, the turnaround can be weeks, or even days.
Yes, some things have changed. I think you need to definitely be below 3% per main anchor term, and in my humble opinion, even be at 1% or less. I think branding and naked URL should be the vast majority of your links. I think all Google properties (+ and circles) should be included. I think that T1 should ideally be built manually (for tougher terms especially).
Generally speaking, It is far more hit or miss for tougher terms (mainly miss). I used to say that I failed on 40% of all websites I put up going after Google. I think it is at least double that now. But then again I go after tougher terms, so that is a very biased statement. I know for a fact that the guys who do local SEO are still having a fun time. So it really depends on what you are going after.
Thanks Ron. Thats some really helpful info there. I have based a planb out, have some old sites that have been sitting around for a year or so, one is ranking page 1 is an EMD will try something pretty light on there. Once I feel a bit more comfortable with the software I'll start up with some real stuff . I'm going to try and document the journey/case study to try and help out some others as well.
Large terms - thats still;l pretty quick I thought it could be longer.
Once you have something up and ranked is it sticking or are the sites penalised after a few weeks?
I know one case of a black hatter in Germany, super competitive term ranking number 1 has been there for quite some time as well. Obviously this is my goal but I have a long way to go before then.
@ron
"I think all Google properties (+ and circles) should be included. I think that T1 should ideally be built manually (for tougher terms especially)."
Does google+ really work? Have you done some tests about this?
@cefege - Why would you think that facebook likes would help you rank in Google? I am just being logical. If you want to play ball with Google, you better show some love to its children
I have set my campaign up similar to this but my T2/T3 links keep giving me the error message about there being no target sites after around 3 hours. The campaigns are posting directly from my verified list folder that had over 30k verifieds in currently with more being added all the time from your Blue list. It is posting 10 submissions per URL from the tiers above.
Should I tick the box "Allow posting on the same site again" to stop this and keep the projects going ?
@ron Cool, I too always wondered and started using that since a while with the same strategy and it is no brainer that it is what that boosts LPM up to its limit.
Curious to know what values you keep for them. I keep 5 accounts max per site and 2 submissions per account. What's yours?
@Pratik - Ahh, I was thinking about the submissions per day. Yes, I check that only for non-T1 tiers just the way you showed it. Everything else has to do with posting to your own properties, as in SEREngines as far as I know.
@jonathonjon - Since the T1 is supposed to be a much slower post, you only change them when you have fully exhausted posting a list's contextual targets. Because at that time, many targets will decline a second post. On junk tiers you can let it ride for a lot longer because most websites are the opposite - they let you post multiple times. Generally speaking (as it applies to lists), I just change all emails with every new list. However, I have been lazy many times and just change them once per month.
i don;t buy this social signals junk. i paid for facebook, youtube, google twitter plus pages and likes followers etc and didn't make a shit of differce in my google rankings.
I'll just add that facebook and twitter don't seem to matter. But don't be foolish and overlook Google's children. If you think it doesn't matter, then you are missing out on how they view the world.
"Generally speaking (as it applies to lists), I just change all emails with every new list. However, I have been lazy many times and just change them once per month."
@ron do you just bin the old emails or is there anyway the can be reused on new lists for example after testing and blacklist checking?
@Mitch, you bring up a very valid point. I just throw them out because I make so many backlinks. The issue is that these emails get on the blacklist, so for certain engine types, especially forums, they will never work well if you recycle them. They could work better with other platforms, but I honestly haven't tested that. The other issue is that they may put your website URL on the naughty list as well (depending on your tier). Generally speaking, I have seen some tightening up across all platforms to fight spam, whether using harder captchas, to website and emails bans, IP bans, and the like.
So just to give myself every opportunity to make as many links as possible, I just toss out the old ones and bring in new ones. It is a fairly minor operating expense. When I compare that expense with any of my other expenses (indexing, proxies, servers, captcha, hosting, etc.), I would say pound for pound my email expense gives me the most return for my money. Plus it's pretty darn cheap.
I agree with @ron on Google+ theory. It is no brainer that Google is using their property well. It also matters the most on how authoritative or active people have circled you. From my POV, I believe the authority on Google+ (and thus rankings today) is very similar to pagerank approach. A pagerank is passed to a website - if its PR4 it matters even more and if it is PR1, it matters less but still it does pass that juice.
Similar is what I think maybe working with Google+. When someone authoritative person circles you, a part of their authority is passed to your profile and Google maybe recalculating the worth of your profile, i.e. how authoritative you would be and it does help with ranking websites I believe.
Another good example is that if you have someone in your circle and they search for some result and your site has it, then your result is likely to show on top of the SERPs considering they are following you.
At least it won't hurt your rankings, so why not give it a try. Set up 2 domaisn or subdomaisn, get a text - and set up everything the same way except for google+. - if the one with g+ outranks the one without it you have a strong point for g+ influencing rankings. It just costs $5 to do :P
I have been wondering about anchours on tier ones.
If you are only making 100 or so tier one's so as to not get a penalty, if you are only using under 10% even 5% etc of money anchours doesnt that mean that for t1 most likely many of your money anchours may not even have one iteration in your anchour text; itll most likely just be generics.
Since theres only 100 links or so there is only a small chance your money anchours would come up.
So if this is the case aren't you potentially squashing the chance to rnak if you wait for ages before building more t1 it could be months before your anchours show up even once on t1.
kp55 - It is very difficult to prove anything with G's algorithm. It was more of a theory that had to do with the quality of the links you create. Given a choice, the links that point to your moneysite ideally should be of the highest quality. As with anything, you run a few sites with a filter and run a few without, and test to see if it makes any difference. I believe it does, but I can't create a situation where "all factors are equal except for one variable". The sites are always different, they have different names, etc. Impossible to know for sure.
@PeterParker - I understand your question, and my answer would be that if you go out of your way to perhaps handbuild the exact match anchors from the best properties, then you can allow SER to make all the other links. That way you not only control the anchor text outcome, but also control the quality level on those important links.
Just finished reading the 12 pages, amazing thread with very good information. Don't have any doubt right now, just want to start straight away but first I would like to thank to all and specially thanks to @ron
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@gsanewb29 - Hell, I tend to go after very large terms (50,000+ exact matches), so my timetable tends to be 2-3 months. Now for much smaller terms, the turnaround can be weeks, or even days.
Yes, some things have changed. I think you need to definitely be below 3% per main anchor term, and in my humble opinion, even be at 1% or less. I think branding and naked URL should be the vast majority of your links. I think all Google properties (+ and circles) should be included. I think that T1 should ideally be built manually (for tougher terms especially).
Generally speaking, It is far more hit or miss for tougher terms (mainly miss). I used to say that I failed on 40% of all websites I put up going after Google. I think it is at least double that now. But then again I go after tougher terms, so that is a very biased statement. I know for a fact that the guys who do local SEO are still having a fun time. So it really depends on what you are going after.
@Pratik - Ahh, I was thinking about the submissions per day. Yes, I check that only for non-T1 tiers just the way you showed it. Everything else has to do with posting to your own properties, as in SEREngines as far as I know.
@jonathonjon - Since the T1 is supposed to be a much slower post, you only change them when you have fully exhausted posting a list's contextual targets. Because at that time, many targets will decline a second post. On junk tiers you can let it ride for a lot longer because most websites are the opposite - they let you post multiple times. Generally speaking (as it applies to lists), I just change all emails with every new list. However, I have been lazy many times and just change them once per month.
If you are only making 100 or so tier one's so as to not get a penalty, if you are only using under 10% even 5% etc of money anchours doesnt that mean that for t1 most likely many of your money anchours may not even have one iteration in your anchour text; itll most likely just be generics.
Since theres only 100 links or so there is only a small chance your money anchours would come up.
So if this is the case aren't you potentially squashing the chance to rnak if you wait for ages before building more t1 it could be months before your anchours show up even once on t1.
Thoughts?