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High Rankings on Google With GSA On Tier 1

edited April 2014 in Other / Mixed
Hey guys, today i decide to search on different niches top ranked sites, one of them was 

*Edit* - Link removed to respect website owners privacy

The domain was registed on january 2014, he start making on very first month, top ranking 

The guy used on tier 1 gsa, mostly spammy backlinks, something close to churn & burn, the top ranked niches are started since february, if you a short backlinks research on any of the top ranked keywords you'll see most of the links are spammy xpressengine,articlebeach with low quality content, some blog comments, wiki's and some more, so my question is how the hell is that posibile, the site is a multiple niche site, he send several spammy backlinks on each post url, he has like 4 high ranked pages that are 3 months old, and google haven't slap him, how is that posibile ?

PS: I'm pretty sure the owner will read this, just tell us dude :D

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  • edited April 2014
    @edyculay

    You should remove that link from your post. You are outing a fellow blackhatter's success and exposing him to getting targetted by Google spies and others.

    If you must talk about it, PM the website to trusted members who are interested in participating in this thread.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Regarding your questions. Why isn't it possible? If you do your anchor distribution right, nothing should hinder you from ranking.
  • why would you publicly out his website?
    if anything discuss it privately
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    I think some people maybe don't know it's not very fair to publicly reveal someone's website.
    But @edyculay you do know now, so maybe you should remove the link.
  • I dont have the permision to do that
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    @sven can do it for you maybe.
  • Yeah sure, i dont wanna be rude, thats why didnt said anything, i would remove the link if i could, but i can't, but c'mon i dont have the right to do as you guys call " public " a domain that can be easily found on google 
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    Yea it can be found on Google, i think the point is that now everyone who read this thread see's the link and well... you can guess the rest.

    Or maybe you could say it's bad SER etiquette to share an SER ranked site on this forum.
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    Remove the website man, have some respect.
  • I'm sorry, i can't edit the post, if @sven want to remove the link of description i have nothing against it
  • you're fucking out!
  • edited April 2014
    Nothing interesting to see here. He's spamming his url, hitting it with a few social signals, and doing the same for a little more than a handful of 301 redirects from url shorteners. Also I doubt the keyword is competitive. He's being aggressive with his money anchor anchor and he's barely using any related keywords. The money anchor to his 301 redirects is about 25-60%. Do the same as him with more links if you wish to rank above him. I'm also churning and burning, but I'll usually only backlink directly to my money page and not be that aggressive with my anchors.

    I appreciate getting a good candidate for exporting a backlink profile made by SER though.

    @s4nt0s, you missed two links to pages on the domain.
  • @fakenickahl i have come to find your posts always bring a unique perspective and add nice value! :) cheers.
  • @PeterParker I appreciate the compliment! I'm glad my thoughts are appreciated and I'll keep on posting :)
  • fakenickahl  That's true, your post is very usefull for me, thanks for your answer
  • @edyculay What tool did you use to find the backlinks of the site?
  • @emilt9, download the backlink profile with ahrefs or any other link crawler and run it through the sort in tool in SER and you'll get the majority of the engines.
  • Is most of the people using ahrefs? I read somewhere that it is not very accurate.

    Is there a standalone software that can provide a decent backlink check?
  • I use ahrefs due to personal preference. Matthew Woodwards also compared all the popular link crawlers recently and ahrefs came out as the winner. But of course is no 3rd party crawler completely accurate. They have no where near the power to discover backlinks as Google has, but some are doing a better job than others.

    I believe there is one software which pulls the data from a server, but you'll never find decent software to scrape backlinks here and now. Just go with one of the online crawlers.
  • @fakenickahl Ahrefs must pay the highest affiliate commission then LOL....

    I've stopped using Ahrefs, it's just not good enough for the money it costs. There are others.
  • edited April 2014
    Majestics and Ahrefs have different uses. Since this internet marketing playground is not all about SEO, Majestics are not a useless company.
    Let's not to be too much evangelist about Ahrefs even though I prefer Ahrefs for SER as @fakenickahl
  • Haha, that's a very fair point @JudderMan. But I still have always found ahrefs to be best suited for my needs.

    Anyways, as I'm into churn and burn, an ahrefs subscription is hands down the best money I've ever spent since buying SER. It's just amazing what out of the box thinking you'll discover when analyzing other people's websites. I've several times learnt more in a couple of hours than I have for months on SEO forums.
  • That's a good point Fakenickahl - I use seoprofiler (or linkprofiler), which gives me more info that I need and can pull competitor backlink for the same price as Ahrefs. Bit more of a Swiss Army Knife I find, you might not though. 


  • edited April 2014
    speaking of analysing baclklinks, i too get alot out of it but ive found it very limited so far since you can only look at their tier one, so you have no idea how big or what they are doing for t2. is there any way around this? im also only on a free version of majestic (also very broke so subscriptions are out of the question) so even the tier one results i get are extremely limited but i do at least get to see if they are using gsa or quality links etc which is useful.
  • Peter, have you tried moving your sites to different hosting. If you're broke then it sounds like you have had penalties and have been slapped all over the place. I guess that from your other posts that this has been going on for many months. Use SEOprofiler it's $1 for the first month....obviously try and make the most of it within that month until you start making money.

    Start again. Move your hosting. Change up your sites or start again. Don't leave a footprint. Get into churn and burn stuff and keep mobile/fluid. I'm only saying this as I want you to start having some wins. 

    Tier 2+ in my opinion = more is better. More of everything. Powering up links, smashing the living daylights out of them. Even if it kills them, it doesn't matter, the penalty shouldn't flow through. 

    I've recently taken sites from Ahrefs DA 20 to 81 and usually around +20-25 points per week using SER only. Contextuals is key. Mixing it up. Using lots of projects on various URLs (social/anything connected to the money site). Power up power up power up, faster faster faster, more more more. Get greedy and you will start making $. Don't languish in the doldrums. I've been there and it sucks. I still struggle with some sites. Others I rank within days not weeks or months. It's nuts. If I can't do it and try various methods and they don't work, I move on and don't waste time, you're only on this planet for a limited time. Smash and grab as much money as you can - if money makes you happy, that is.
  • edited April 2014
    @judderman thanks for the advice. Hmm I dont think hosting is a problem since i will rnak for a little sometimes but then be slapped back tho that is def the exception to get to fornt at all im just saying it has happens. But my case is the same as every being stuck on page 2/3 for most things. I think the root problem is not being able to index tier 2's fast enough before they die because I check the rate at which they dorp and its around 60% after 3 weeks- this goes for contextual or not. Since hardly any of those are indexing then it means that the ones i do create are never even going to count before being destroyed. Also yes, churn and burn is next on my lists of things to try, @fakenickahl has definitely inspired me in that regard :P
  • @edyculay The site you speak of will get spanked soon enough.
  • spunko2010spunko2010 Isle of Man
    edited April 2014
    Peter, how many lookups do you intend to make on Ahrefs ? I have a Paid account , if anyone knows of a way to add more logins to Ahrefs you are welcome to use mine and see if you like it, I don't know why they give you like 50k lookups a month I need about 100 most :S But I agree with fakenickahl it's a great tool, up there with SER and SAPE
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    @PeterParker that's the reason for a tier 3 my friend.
  • @tim89 but then isnt that just an infinite problem that you would never be able stop building another tier to index the one above :P?

    'who watches the watchmen' kind of thing? :)
  • spunko2010 thanks for the offer. I havent been doing any lookups recently, so not an issue currently.
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited April 2014
    @PeterParker not quite, lets look at this logically.

    For example, for people using an indexing service, indexing services improves indexing rates for all your tiers, this is a given, however, as you quite rightly stated, most links become dead within a 60 day time frame, however, making them indexed within this period makes them count and this is where competitive SEO comes into play, if you're relying on crappy link sources (sources that are moderated and kills your spam/unreliable lists etc) you're banking on the fact that you build these links, index these links ASAP and rise in the SERPs, then simply maintaining this ratio, build links, index links, die links, etc etc rinse and repeat, this is what you've got to do when working in a high competitive niche, by keeping ontop of your link juice and powering up your links and replenishing your tiers.

    Anyway, above is a broader perspective of what SEO is, unless, obviously, you have links that stick, this would make life much easier overall but would still require either hugh authority themselves or mass spam tier 2's and 3's which we then need to follow the above for the maintanence phase.

    The main reasons for building tiers, and the reasoning behind building a third teir (which is a very important tier to build) is to make the search engines keep your tier 2's and effectively your tier 1's in their index.

    A link that has no links pointing to it, should not be considered as a link of importance therefore why should it remain in a search engines index?

    Some people don't understand the importance of indexing links, people shouldn't rely on "indexing rates" all they should be doing is their jobs as an SEO and this is to build links, check these links, process these links through an indexing service, observe their rankings, if the bulk of your links are dying before they are being indexed, then your problem is your indexing service or strategy, bearing in mind these factors..

    - natural short term link loss (links dying or being removed within a short time frame (0 - 10 days)
    - making these links count before they are moderated
    - you should be wanting to see the majority of your links indexed within a 3-4 week period (1 month)

    If the majority of your links are being indexed within a 3 week period (21 days) and your links are averaging 60 day life span, you should being seeing good serp movements after 12 weeks of link building, not fortgetting the 40% of links that are sticking, thats a decent amount of links that stick and a good foundation to build upon.

    If you're hitting the ranking positions your wanting to be at within your first campaign cycle and you are suffering from a 60% loss of links, then you should mathmatically only need 3 runs of your campaign to have very stable long term rankings, bearing in mind you keep track of your anchor text diversity at tier 1 level, which should be easy to do if you keep your main keywords at no higher than a 3% density per campaign run.

    40% + 40% + 40% = 120% at which point, you've built enough links to that site/page which are sticking, due to your observational skills, so theorictially, you will not have to build any more.

    so, 3 campagins per tier should do it, which sounds easy, but actually is at least 24 weeks of work, this is assuming you want to not suffer from any dances and you're drip feeding your links at a slowish rate to avoid any unatural link warnings/penalties, by all means, you can probably lessen the amount of waiting time and cram everything into 12 weeks but then your site could get slapped at any time, I'd rather wait it out knowing I'll have an earning site at the end of it, this is ofcourse for high compeitive niches, I normally play at around 30k tier 1's / 300,000 - 500,000 tier 2s / 1mill - 2mill tier 3s per keyword market within the finance industry.

    These link amounts may sound/look extreme but you've got to over do it in compeitive niches to counteract link loss and build on the links that remain at a speed that shows an increase in trend for the bots to pick up on.

    This is a back link monitor project which I'm currently go through that has over 800,000 contextual links between three tiers so far, if you work with BLM, you'll understand the screenshot.

    BLM

    With all of the above being said, you could just pay into a PBN and avoid building out so many links, but your rankings will most definately end up dropping significantly after every search engine update simply because these providers are selling their PBN's and they will end up selling it to a SE rep sooner or later.

    But then again, paying for your links isn't SEO in my opinion and just lazy, anyone who buys their way to the top of serps isnt an actual SEO, their part timers :)

  • Excellent in-depth SEO / linkbuilding article @Tim89, with a lot of good valid info.

    I might steal it for a Guest Post on Moz :D
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    feel free to do so @davbel send me a link if you do :)
  • In all seriousness that should be a sticky for newbs.
  • Thanks Tim89
  • Tim89 Interesting info. Cheers.

    However...I understand the rationale behind having a tier 3 to index the tier 2 but ive often thought, isnt this offset by the fact that google only finds the tier 2 links thru crawling through an indexed link/s on tier 3? Or conversely ive wondered if G also works the other way round in that it already knows the t2 exists and the tier 3s dont have to be indexed themsleves in order to index the t2 its just G needs to know it has some links pointing to it to see it is worth indexing.

    Thoughts? I am still undecided on that one but if the latter is the case it makes life considerably easier.
  • Interesting stuff Tim89.  Of those 800k links how many unique domains are you hitting?

    I am just building my lists and probably have nearing on 10k unique domains for contextual links with a fresh list running now which should take it to 12k-15k. 

    So just wondering if you are repeatedly hitting the same domains?
  • "But then again, paying for your links isn't SEO in my opinion and just lazy, anyone who buys their way to the top of serps isnt an actual SEO, their part timers"

    @Tim89 So, someone who pays into a PBN isn't an actual SEO. 
     
    Rankings aren't discriminatory. Rankings don't care if you own your link or pay for it. You either rank or you don't. 
    Yes, you're in a much better position, long term, to own your pbn rather than pay into one but that has nothing to do with being an actaul SEO. You and I and anyone who knows what they're doing understand that there's a bit more to rankings than just buying high pr links.
    Greg Morrison has made millions with SEO and he himself paid for links in the early stages of his career. Was he lazy? 

  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited May 2014
    @funguy88‌ yes he was, would he have made millions without purchasing links, so soon? There's no effort in buying links is what I meant, meaning you're a 'part timer' in the SEO world.

    @Flembot‌ around 10k
  • Tim89, great post.


  • @Tim89 ... Great in depth strategy.  How do you handle the anchor text diversification across your tiers lately? How many generic / lsi / branded ...etc ?
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    edited May 2014
    @mamadou thank you, I only look at my tier 1 anchor text... that's all that matters for ranking. I use BackLinkMonitor for my tracking of links.
  • @Tim89 ..thanks. And how do you set anchors up in tier 1 while using this strategy ? I never went that far with my tiers and I might try your method on one of my sites.
  • Tim89Tim89 www.expressindexer.solutions
    Experimenting is the best way to find out @mamadou you want to keep all your money keywords below 1-3% obviously build at a higher percentage to counteract link loss, so possibly set up your campaigns with 5% exact match anchors, bearing in mind this doesn't mean waste 1 campaign by setting the percentages at 95% generic and 5% exact no, use these tier 1 campaigns as efficiently as possible and scale up using some maths.

    Unfortunately I don't talk about exact specifics about my campaigns on public forums and I don't sell my methods either, so you're going to have to pick up the pieces when it comes to details.
  • No problem. In my experiments using high percentages of generic anchors in my customers tier 1 didn't work at all. Maybe the niches are so spammy. Who knows.
  • spunko2010spunko2010 Isle of Man
    Just analyse your competitors links, in particular any authority sites. I just copy their anchor % normally, and sometimes even their anchors.

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