@2take2 any chance you can share the trick or the post URL where you mentioned the trick this would be a life saver for me at moment especially on one client
@jd_pmg - The basics of it was to build 1,000 mixed links right off that the bat. Don't send them to any indexing service. That should be enough to get some kind of ranking, not a page one but just showing something in the serps.
Not sure if @2take2 can give you any more tips there?
As @gooner says, It's no big mystery, and not really very scientific, just spam the [new] domain with a few thousand mixed links in one short sharp blast.
I personally wouldn't do it on a clients site though, just in case.
Haha @gooner, yea, I guess if it's a new site, and it's not registered on their dream domain name, then it doesn't really matter. - 'WP Clone' is your friend!
@jd_pmg - I find my sites stick on page 2 or like rank 8 - 10 ALOT if i use SER only.
So in that case i usually go for more web 2.0s (unless i got the full compliment of 120 already) and especially the high PR links if you got your own blog network or maybe rent some nice links.
@gooner yeah I am finding them stick to page 2 as well,
I am going to probably invest in RankWyz and get some manual accounts set up via your fiverr guy and try and build a few hundred web 2.0's quickly and set the affifiliate settings on them like we discussed before from GSA.
Do you find your 120 web 2.0s usually strong enough to rank for local keywords?
And say you had hit your limit of one client URL per web2.0 would you still add new content to the web 2.0 but not add in any more links?
Sorry more and more questions come to me as I read more and more about web 2.0's haha
@jd_pmg - That's ok mate, it's good to talk about tactics - Gives me ideas too.
I should probably keep adding articles to the web 2.0's, with no links as you said. But honestly i'm pretty lazy haha and i don't tend to look at them again until i need them.
I'm also thinking of using Rankwyz, just haven't gotten around to it yet. But that will help the process a lot.
I think i could rank most local keywords with only the web 2.0's as tier 1. I've never tried but it should be possible, a lot of people do it that way.
I find if you build out the site with a good few pages, they rank really quickly. Also helps if you make it look like a "real" business, link to the client's Google+ Local page or have a Google map, plus a real phone number and address etc on site.
@gooner cool I think Rankwyz will be worth the investment once the learning curve is made.
Thanks for the tip on google maps that is a good tip.
What is your general link building plan for local keywords? Would you just blast it with GSA or do you find there is just no need for 120 level of web 2.0's?
I start with a few hundred or maybe a thousand links SER and then set it to 30 submitted per day and wait a week or so. While i'm waiting i build a few web 2.0's, maybe 10. Check rankings at end of month. Then add a tier 2 in SER and build maybe 10 more web 2.0's Check rankings at end of month. Build another 10 web 2.0's Check rankings at end of month - By now is month 3. At this point i might be doing ok, if so leave it as it. If not, add high PR links, more web 2.0's, maybe a tier 3 in SER etc.
That's roughly it but i'm not very strict with it. I just do whatever i think best at the time.
@gooner you may have already mentioned it but I didnt see it, for your manual web2.0s you are building, are you also crating fresh unique content each time, or still just scraping and/or spun articles? Would seem like a lot of content to have all these web 2.0s and fresh content after a few months.
@gooner My strategy has always been to try GSA with high PR and quality settings creating a silo effect and then when/if results come use the cash generated from the rankings to then solidify those rankings by creating niche specific high PR sites by buying expiring domains and putting new fresh relevant content on them.
I find this quite well for affiliate sites, but then I did this with a clients site and got completely walked all over when they went to another SEO company who basicially did a link anlaysis of my site found out which site I had built the niche relevant link on and then spammed my site like mental like 100K links a day to plummet there rankings and went and offered the service at half the price. So I want some sort of variety of strategy where maybe I can get away from those idiots. Maybe there just once in a blue moon but seriously stuffed my income up as they were a big client.
Is there any way that you know how to block people being able to do link analysis on my own private blogs that i create? Would love to know your thoughts on @tsaimllc comment as well about new content or spun
@jd_pmg - Shit that is terrible, sorry to hear that mate.
I don't know of any way to protect yourself, the only thing i have in my favour is that very few SEO companies could price match me, none in the UK i would think and i have a few good lead gen sites.
But i do have a few massive clients who could cut my income in half if they all left me, so yea i would be interested to know how to protect myself a bit more.
On the other hand, i've generated a few clients from the High PR blog network. Companies have contacted me asking to buy links and i ended up selling them SEO services too. Not hard to do if the sites you are linking to on your network are on page one in the prospective client's niche.
Goner: do you spam your money site directly, or is everything through a Web 2.0? I have an authority site with about 20 pages to rank. How would you set up your web 2.0s?
@gooner did some research into protecting blog networks last night. Seems best way to do it is different hosts if possible and using a tool called spyder spanker which stops loads of bots including ones that link anlaysis companies can use.
Check out spider spanker let me know what you think mate
@Pratik completely forgot about that, do you have any resources or links to somewhere with correct set up to block ahrefs and majestic kind of of places?
@2take2, which thread do you tell more about your 1,000 links blast. What platforms are they?
@gooner, when you use contextual, what is the distribution like - would most of it be articles that are verified? (that's what I'm getting)
Regarding your use of Web 2.0s, can you send me the fiverr guy? Also, how do you do your articles - do you get one written for you then word/phrase spin them and post them out to about 20-30 others? Or how do you do them?
Do you have problems with using fiverr - since it may be automation or all from the same ip, I'm wondering whether the web 2.0s tracks that and brings those blogs down. Also, have you had problems with blogs taken down?
@Wizzardly - I am always looking for great web 2.0 services. I need you to explain something...Why would you create the accounts in AutoFillMagic, and then move them to Rankwyz? Why not just let Rankwyz handle it start to finish? (I'm not getting why you are doing that)
Also, please tell us about AutoFill from the inside. Is it anything like they have it on their sales page? I had this site bookmarked for a couple of months, and forgot to follow up on it. It looks great on the outside, but how many times has that happened before, lol.
@ron - you can test autofill for 7 days for free (search thread in bhw). It can create accounts really well, but adding info is not as convenient as I would like to. Bough a copy of fcs networker and hope to fill the gaps with it. Also, they still haven't implemented auto verify feature, so you have to go to email and push on the links web 2.0 are sending.
Yeah, I just took a closer look, and it appears to be more of a semi-automated account creator. I thought it took you from A-Z like Rankwyz. It still is something I bookmarked.
It could be nice if you have found .gov, .edu or any other sites that are not supported in ser, rankwyz etc. You can just push autofill magic and it fills all the fields.
Always looking for great Web 2.0 services as well. Can someone shed more light on RankWyz? I mean are accounts created by themselves? And we just submit our articles and they'll be posted automatically?
@jonathanjon - The fiverr guy uses proxies to create accounts so all good, i will PM you the link. For content i use article builder. You can either create individual articles or you can create a massive 20 spun article and then use some free online spin software to create a unique article each time. Both works.
I don't target any keywords with those web 2.0s - I'm not trying to rank them, just trying to get nice contextual link juice from them.
Very few get deleted, unless the site closes down etc. Maybe i am just lucky there :S
^^^ Same as....Have you been logging into my VPS again @gooner? :P
jonathanjon - you will need to have a play around and work out what works best for you, although if you want the ranking to last, then I would generally avoid blog comments as they will probably erode the trust of the site over time.
@gooner will all depend how easy it is to build the da, cf, and tf of these web 2.0s really.
Would be cool if ser could let us post links on sites based on there domain authority, citation flow and trust flow wouldn't it?!
The main problem with posting on base of DA and such would be low LPM as its very time consuming and not to mention there is great limit and time taken by Moz to report that data. IMHO not worth. Employ proper techniques and you'll see the results.
Try to variate things. For example, don't just blindly go for contextual. Set a bland for some properties if needed. For example I just realized this when someone negative SEO'd my site today by over-backlinking one type of anchor text. I only had contextual tier built links to my MS. So it was not possible just to blast another 1K contextual links as they take a lot of time. So then I thought blasting out other type of links is also good and natural variation in Google's eyes. So experiment it. If a project doesn't work as it should, try new possibilities like these, don't be feared to invent. Edison failed 1000 times but he succeeded at last.
@ron sounds like you took a closer look, but as to the reason why I am creating accounts manually using autofillmagic.
I wouldn't say that AFM is the only way that I create accounts. It has a few specific purposes for specific sites.
First, Rankwyz and any other completely automated account creators only cover so many sites or platforms. AFM can be used to create accounts on lesser used and lesser spammed platforms.
Second, accounts created manually are less likely to be deleted in my experience. I actually prefer to use systems that are heavily policed because it makes it a better neighborhood to get links from. I've been involved with a lot of work on fraud prevention. So when I think about these things I try to think about them like a mathematician would because that is what we are fighting. When people talk about accounts being deleted they usually seem to talk about human moderation. But in reality, most of the larger platforms are doing very little if any human moderation. It's all math. So creating the accounts in a manual (but semi automated) way and changing the profile and the settings all manually creates the proper signals in their data tables so I look real. Page load times, time on pages, time to submit form, javascript detection scripts, etc etc. I think the last fraud detection algo I was involved with had a couple hundred data points it looked at for each order.
The tougher one to deal with is algos that look at posting patterns as I still refuse to manually post content, at least in bulk. That and people flagging your content as spam which might lead to actual human review. But AFM does offer content posting, but again, it is just a semi-automated manual posting process.
That being said, buy the living crap out of paid accounts and use them and abuse them. Soon you will figure out which sites you can do whatever you want with and fully automate all day long. Then look at the sites that you get deleted on, and do some math on their value vs investment required to go semi or full manual.
@Wizzardly Excellent post. Which industry you've worked btw for fraud prevention? We will be looking in future for a company that me and my partner is setting up which needs to deal with a lot of fraud as well. Would be interested to hear, if you'd like to shoot me a PM!
I am the developer of Autofill Magic and one of the main reasons to create a semi automated tool was to achieve a higher success and stick rate. And I think it is fair to say that it makes a difference to use semi automation over total automation. When I create 100 accounts 95 or more will still be alive 6 month later. I have never seen that with any automated tool.
This week or the next we release version 1.8.0 that add email verification. That will speed up the account creation process a lot. We are also adding an option to add your own email filters so you can add your own rules for what links to click. And then there is feature to send an email to a list for 'manual action'. Some sites sends the password in an email or a verification code that you need to enter. Most automated tools just skip these mails since there is nothing tom click and the verification will fail. But with Autofill Magic you can filter out these mails and take the proper action. Again that will give a much higher success rate.
Regarding posting... We have a few things up our sleeves that will improve this process greatly.
I've been playing with Rankwyz. I've got the cheap plan - under $10 per month. It is very powerful, but the software isn't very intuitive, the documentation is non-existent, and the support/forum isn't nearly as good as this one. @2take2 knows rankwyz pretty well. Getting a tutorial today.
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Not sure if @2take2 can give you any more tips there?
I personally wouldn't do it on a clients site though, just in case.
Although some already have page one rankings what would you suggest to push nearer the top?
So in that case i usually go for more web 2.0s (unless i got the full compliment of 120 already) and especially the high PR links if you got your own blog network or maybe rent some nice links.
I am going to probably invest in RankWyz and get some manual accounts set up via your fiverr guy and try and build a few hundred web 2.0's quickly and set the affifiliate settings on them like we discussed before from GSA.
Do you find your 120 web 2.0s usually strong enough to rank for local keywords?
And say you had hit your limit of one client URL per web2.0 would you still add new content to the web 2.0 but not add in any more links?
Sorry more and more questions come to me as I read more and more about web 2.0's haha
I should probably keep adding articles to the web 2.0's, with no links as you said. But honestly i'm pretty lazy haha and i don't tend to look at them again until i need them.
I'm also thinking of using Rankwyz, just haven't gotten around to it yet. But that will help the process a lot.
I think i could rank most local keywords with only the web 2.0's as tier 1. I've never tried but it should be possible, a lot of people do it that way.
I find if you build out the site with a good few pages, they rank really quickly. Also helps if you make it look like a "real" business, link to the client's Google+ Local page or have a Google map, plus a real phone number and address etc on site.
Thanks for the tip on google maps that is a good tip.
What is your general link building plan for local keywords? Would you just blast it with GSA or do you find there is just no need for 120 level of web 2.0's?
While i'm waiting i build a few web 2.0's, maybe 10.
Check rankings at end of month.
Then add a tier 2 in SER and build maybe 10 more web 2.0's
Check rankings at end of month.
Build another 10 web 2.0's
Check rankings at end of month - By now is month 3.
At this point i might be doing ok, if so leave it as it. If not, add high PR links, more web 2.0's, maybe a tier 3 in SER etc.
That's roughly it but i'm not very strict with it. I just do whatever i think best at the time.
I find this quite well for affiliate sites, but then I did this with a clients site and got completely walked all over when they went to another SEO company who basicially did a link anlaysis of my site found out which site I had built the niche relevant link on and then spammed my site like mental like 100K links a day to plummet there rankings and went and offered the service at half the price. So I want some sort of variety of strategy where maybe I can get away from those idiots. Maybe there just once in a blue moon but seriously stuffed my income up as they were a big client.
Is there any way that you know how to block people being able to do link analysis on my own private blogs that i create? Would love to know your thoughts on @tsaimllc comment as well about new content or spun
I don't know of any way to protect yourself, the only thing i have in my favour is that very few SEO companies could price match me, none in the UK i would think and i have a few good lead gen sites.
But i do have a few massive clients who could cut my income in half if they all left me, so yea i would be interested to know how to protect myself a bit more.
On the other hand, i've generated a few clients from the High PR blog network. Companies have contacted me asking to buy links and i ended up selling them SEO services too. Not hard to do if the sites you are linking to on your network are on page one in the prospective client's niche.
If you go back through this thread i describe more or less everything i do.
Hope it helps.
Check out spider spanker let me know what you think mate
@gooner, when you use contextual, what is the distribution like - would most of it be articles that are verified? (that's what I'm getting)
Regarding your use of Web 2.0s, can you send me the fiverr guy? Also, how do you do your articles - do you get one written for you then word/phrase spin them and post them out to about 20-30 others? Or how do you do them?
Do you have problems with using fiverr - since it may be automation or all from the same ip, I'm wondering whether the web 2.0s tracks that and brings those blogs down. Also, have you had problems with blogs taken down?
Thanks for sharing. Valuable info.
Bough a copy of fcs networker and hope to fill the gaps with it. Also, they still haven't implemented auto verify feature, so you have to go to email and push on the links web 2.0 are sending.
For content i use article builder. You can either create individual articles or you can create a massive 20 spun article and then use some free online spin software to create a unique article each time. Both works.
I don't target any keywords with those web 2.0s - I'm not trying to rank them, just trying to get nice contextual link juice from them.
Very few get deleted, unless the site closes down etc. Maybe i am just lucky there :S
URL 50%
Generic 35%
Then i add about 10 keywords, some are main keywords, LSI, general and also brand keywords and that will be the remaining 15%
Another thread on here suggested any type of keyword anchor should be below 20% and i agree with that.
@ron is testing 0% keyword anchor i believe
jonathanjon - you will need to have a play around and work out what works best for you, although if you want the ranking to last, then I would generally avoid blog comments as they will probably erode the trust of the site over time.
I am the developer of Autofill Magic and one of the main reasons to create a semi automated tool was to achieve a higher success and stick rate. And I think it is fair to say that it makes a difference to use semi automation over total automation. When I create 100 accounts 95 or more will still be alive 6 month later. I have never seen that with any automated tool.
This week or the next we release version 1.8.0 that add email verification. That will speed up the account creation process a lot. We are also adding an option to add your own email filters so you can add your own rules for what links to click. And then there is feature to send an email to a list for 'manual action'. Some sites sends the password in an email or a verification code that you need to enter. Most automated tools just skip these mails since there is nothing tom click and the verification will fail. But with Autofill Magic you can filter out these mails and take the proper action. Again that will give a much higher success rate.
Regarding posting... We have a few things up our sleeves that will improve this process greatly.
Feel free to ask any questions you might have.