I started a run 26. december. I blast directly with no tiers. Content is from Kontent Machine. I'm using mostly dofollows. And max outbound links 50.
After 7-8 days the website started appearing in #30-60 positions on google for various keywords. It has however started to dissapear again on a number of keywords so I don't know if it's a dance, or Google that just don't like what is going on...
Website is new - I'm targetting keywords with 1000-10000 searches pr. month. I have a limiter on - max 300 verified per day - and also blasting innerpages.
Pretty much immediately. New sites would get indexed within 15 minutes of a project starting, and some sites, would start to rank within the top 100 the next day.
60-90 days generally speaking, pretty much the same as any other tool I've used. Difference is I don't need to babysit GSA. I set it up, it does its thing, very seldom problems with GSA Ser.
Everyone takes a different approach. Just keep in mind that if you push a site up fast, it has higher odds of getting tanked really fast as well.
The folks with xrumer refers to this strategy of 'disposable sites'. They will blast a site to the top knowing full well that it will crash quickly. The difference is that they have a bunch of domains, so when it crashes, they roll the content onto another domain and start over.
In general, if I want a top spot safely, I will take a slower approach, and be willing to give it a few months.
Typically 3 to 4 weeks on new domains. Link velocity is very limited as I use web 2.0 and use GSA on them. It takes 3 weeks + for web 2.0s to gain some authority and start pushing the money site up the rankings.
Testing 2 domains directly with GSA but no results yet after nearly 3 weeks. Over 6000 links to one site but it has not moved anywhere and most of the keywords are out of the top 100 still.
I'm trying to rank a web 2.0 site for some affiliate money keywords like product x review and product x.
after 1 month i've ranked to #12 on the product x keyword using just GSA + kontent machine for tier 1 links and two rounds of UAW submissions. I also have a tier 2 campaign pointing to tier 1 links using GSA + kontent machine.
haven't been able to get it to move much higher. any thoughts?
yep i'm following matthew's strategy really like it, it explains things in depth really well. i'm doing that for my money sites that make money that to use less risky SEO methods and building a good quality tier 1 using UD that matthew advocates in his videos does this.
Referring to my above msg, I'm trying to take my own experience and matthews theory to try ranking a web 2.0 purely on autopilot and seeing if it works.
As a new user of GSA I can't tell how effective are these campaigns. I build tiered links with other software and I'm able to rank sites for mid comp in 3 - 4 weeks. But you come and say you can rank in one week? lol, you're pushing the limits I guess.
Just for curiosity. Do those rank last at least? or are you taking the burn and churn approach?
@hyde - No, the opposite. I take the 8-12 week approach, slow drip to start, with slow but steady escalation. I was just responding to doubleup on what my definition of fast is. I know folks with XR that can smash a site up on page 1 in a week, but 2 months later the site is never to be found. I'm not into the churn and burn approach. It sucks too much energy out of me to write a great little site - and then start playing the churn and burn. Now if I was in a different country with slave labor who wrote intelligibly, lol...
I've been building around 50 links/day towards my Tier 1 Web 2.0s for a few days now. I thought i was safe but after reading this thread i don't know anymore. What do you think ? Is the money site in danger (it's more than 2 years old and has plenty natural-built links by now) ? What about the Web 2.0s (Tier 1) (they are newly built) ?
Towards my Tier 2 i build about three times the amount, per day (so basically every Tier 2 article receives around 3 backlinks per day).
You're fine on the web 2.0's. They aren't like money sites - you can hit them hard. I just have a routine where I take new sites and start with a drip to the money site, and escalate from there.
On a new site, I typically I wait a few weeks to have a decent number of Tier1 properties before starting a tier2. Then I come in with a tier 2 at a ratio of about 10:1 for Tier2:Tier1.
If a site is mature, I have no problem building a tier2 simulataneously when I build the tier1. So that means I start blasting right away on the tier1.
@dylan09 - That's more than enough for low to medium competition. And also use GSA to build other Tier1 properties where you use the spun content.
I am ranking hand built web 2.0's with only 1-2 posts for keywords that have over 10,000 exact match local searches. GSA really works my man. Let it rip!
@ron what i dont fully understand is, you make your web 2.0 and you add content same day, how long you wait to backlink this web 2.0, and how you do your backlink to it (drip feed,or blast), (one specific quantity or till rank)...
I was under the impression that @dylan09 was referring to 'hand-building' some web 2.0's which has nothing to do with GSA. Then he was manually editing those properties and adding a post or two.
The smart play with the 'good web 2.0 platforms', the ones that need to be built by hand, is to let the new content sit for 7-10 days without links (time to let any moderators look at it and be happy), drop the links in, and blast away.
And the point I was making was that after he built those by hand, he could blast them with GSA. Web 2.0's are not fragile like money sites. They can take a beating.
I also suggested if he was building some by hand, that he should also add regular auto-build GSA properties to Tier 1, and blast those right away. Those properties are not really moderated that heavily, if at all.
I actually did it with two new sites + an older site with a healthy linkprofile. 300 Links per day from blogs, articles, social bookmarks. Not guestbook.
The two new sites quickly began rising after about a week. Some hit just outsite page 1. Then a week later they have dropped off and are now gone from Google. Still indexed though. So initially great success, then vanished from top 100.
The older site has benefitted as well - really well. But same story really - just outside page 1 - then then rankings have stalled and gone backwards a little, but still much better rankings than before. The older site looks like it has the age - or link variety that keeps it floating.
GSA is still blasting to all three sites, plus I index the links with SB. It would be nice hearing from others who blast directly with GSA.
Instead of playing games where I know I will eventually get punched in the gut, I take a slower approach which really works.
I keep direct links to moneypage very measured. The next tier get a great hammering. And that's what helps me protect my rankings. Go too fast, especially with direct links, and it can take a while to recover.
I tend to go with 5 a day for a brand new site - at the home page. Maybe 2-3 on the important inner pages. I go with that a week or two, and then add a 2nd tier, and start pumping that in the mix.
Every couple of weeks I will increase both tier 1 and tier 2 a little. I found if I accelerate too fast the rankings will gyrate like crazy and it gets difficult to feel what is really happening.
Ron, so you're creating 5 tier1s to your homepage and 2-3 tier1s to inner pages, every day ... for 2 weeks? Thats approx 112 or so, or 50 a week. That's a lot of writing, since you stated elsewhere you don't use spun articles on tier1s? How do you find the time? Outsourcing...?
You misunderstood. I use KM to create all tiers. I only have one project where I created hand built web 2.0's, and it still doesn't do as well as all my other projects which are spun from head to toe.
All tiers. Again, I'm not trying to rank the T1's and turn them into real websites. Their only function is to funnel linkjuice to the moneysite.
If I was trying to rank the T1's, then yes, I would put some effort into them to make them pleasantly readable. But I have enough to worry about with moneysites without having to worry about T1's.
Ron, you appear quite cautious and advocate a slow/drip feed approach I've noticed, do you wonder that Google will cotton on to the poor grammar etc in your spintax articles at any point? Or does this not concern you as you have the numbers and PR etc. I am asking as I have just started out and am writing content by hand for tier 1s but already getting bored... Not sure if i should 'risk' switching to spintax om t1
You should do whatever makes you comfortable. I have taken the quick approach, and it works, but most sites that travel to the top quickly will travel even quicker to the bottom.
I don't think my method of 2-3 months for page 1 of google is all that slow. I mean, come on, I'm beating sites that have been up there for years.
Google cannot evaluate spin vs. original. They can detect duplicate content, they can evaluate metrics like number of words, keyword density, and all sorts of other things, but they cannot detect spin. Only a manual review can detect spin.
Some people get confused over this because they spun up a website and it tanks - not ever considering that Google trashed it because it had a 99% bounce rate - which is all google needs to know your site is crap.
Now, getting back on point - if you are trying to rank a site, then you better write original content.
If all you are doing is creating tiers to funnel link juice, then spin the living hell out of it.
in terms of uniqueness how often do people change their projects and put new kontent machine kontent on them? i.e. after how many links are verified?
i'm doing manual checks on copyscape every few weeks to see if my tier 1 generate kontent is started to get duplicated because i've distributed it to too many places.
no issues keeping a great tier1 that's actually better that what i'm doing. it all comes down to your risk tolerence and what u are trying to achieve.
i'm trying to use GSA to rank sites on autopilot a bit more aggressively and i'm happy risking a google slap if it comes down to it. i want to rank for certain buyer keywords quickly on certain EMDs and see if i can push them up within a month and monetize.
i don't use GSA for tier1 on sites that are making me a decent income i don't have the risk tolerence of that.
I blasted my second tier (not money site) for 6 weeks and i saw very good results. Then i left for vacation and went to Australia for 40 days. I noticed that not blasting links resulted in my sites dropping. Now im back blasting again. So really the question is, how long do you have to keep blasting? Its seems like forever otherwise youll drop ranks.
Also, i found tons of links deleted and many not indexed. Huge problem really. So this means your rankings are only termporary unless to keep running GSA forever.
I like your input for sure. I am playing it even safer and making my tier 1 all readable and unique content. By super hand spinning to 85-95% uniqueness. Then I use KM for the rest of the levels. I see your point about google bot not knowing about readable content only a human can tell. But lets say you own the number one spot and get marked as spam by a competitor and they hand check some of your backlinks and they are all jibberish. (or some other future change with SE's) Then you could be done like dinner and all your hard work is toast.
@ron. You have some very interesting points. I am creating highly spun articles for my tier 1 with the best spinner. However it takes about 2 hours to do. If you are creating tier 1 with KM you must be able to get a project up and running within 30 mins.
I think i might run a tier 1 KM next month to see what happens.
Well I'm as much Google astrologer as anyone here... and I see people here talking about their sites climbing up to good rankings then falling off... well this happens no matter if you use GSA or not that's Googles way of determining how traffic reacts to your site ... if people come... the bounce rate ...etc before classing it into what "G" considers it's rightful placement in the googlesphere...
for instance I put up a dynamic site a couple of weeks back didn't touch it, now I have - About 63,200 results
I only added the affiliate links last week and I've made some nice $$ without doing anything...
so all the google dances and the ups and downs would have happened exactly the same whether or not you used a backlinking software or not...
my google astrology advise to you is build web2.0 sites with links to you money site and blast them into oblivion and your sites will be safe from googles all knowing all seeing eyes... that looks for any unnatural linking strategies...
hey @ron do you make sure your links get indexed? you send them all to any indexing program or you use rss or something like that to index all yoru links?
@mikie46 - Link building is a forever commitment. The trick is once you get the rankings to find the sweet spot where you only need to do 'x' tier 1 links and 'y' tier 2 links to maintain your ranking.
@ranknow - Totally cool. If I had a great system for cheaply and effortlessly populating tier1 properties with great content, I would do it. I just have too much on my plate to start spinning. It can be outsourced, and in some cases, I have done that. By the way, @takeachance has a great spin service, but he's just starting out with it, so not all topics are covered.
@micb11 - The only way people will believe that it is ok to spin tier1 is to go out and do it. See, I have done it both ways, and I'm killing it with the projects where I spun all tiers. You will never know 100% until you prove it to yourself. Always challenge 'conventional wisdom'. Most people parrot something else that somebody says, and if enough people parrot it, then the whole henhouse believes it.
@rodol - I have a system. I autosubmit them to Lindexed via GSA. I wait a couple of weeks, and extract my verified links by project group (after re-verifying and weeding out the trash first).
Then I separately check on indexing using SB. Since I have a running file, I edit out the ones already indexed, and I am left with a new list that needs to be indexed.
Then I take my lists by project group, and feed each group inro GSA Indexer. It creates about 1400 links for each link that needs indexing, and they are mostly dofollow. So +1 on GSA Indexer.
Then I wait a couple of more weeks. I see which ones are still not indexed. I then take those and put them in a gigantic SB blast to whatever blog will take my links .
Then I give up.
p.s. - Of course, I could eliminate all steps above if I bought and learned xrumer. That's for another day.
yeah. thats like everyone says "eat your cereal" and "ear whole grains". which in fact have lots of gluten, to much carbs, make you fat, cause allergies.........
On the mainstream web 2.0 platforms you really have no choice but to use readable content. Many are manually reviewed, so make sure you don't put links in there for about a week.
i do that too. but do you think any side effects by continuing recrawling older links? i have no data or evidence to confirm this but i remember reading on a forum saying over pinging / crawling links can be harmful.
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After 7-8 days the website started appearing in #30-60 positions on google for various keywords. It has however started to dissapear again on a number of keywords so I don't know if it's a dance, or Google that just don't like what is going on...
Website is new - I'm targetting keywords with 1000-10000 searches pr. month. I have a limiter on - max 300 verified per day - and also blasting innerpages.
Everyone takes a different approach. Just keep in mind that if you push a site up fast, it has higher odds of getting tanked really fast as well.
The folks with xrumer refers to this strategy of 'disposable sites'. They will blast a site to the top knowing full well that it will crash quickly. The difference is that they have a bunch of domains, so when it crashes, they roll the content onto another domain and start over.
In general, if I want a top spot safely, I will take a slower approach, and be willing to give it a few months.
Testing 2 domains directly with GSA but no results yet after nearly 3 weeks. Over 6000 links to one site but it has not moved anywhere and most of the keywords are out of the top 100 still.
Also, visit http://seosunite.com/ for similar videos on link building.
I've been building around 50 links/day towards my Tier 1 Web 2.0s for a few days now. I thought i was safe but after reading this thread i don't know anymore. What do you think ? Is the money site in danger (it's more than 2 years old and has plenty natural-built links by now) ? What about the Web 2.0s (Tier 1) (they are newly built) ?
Towards my Tier 2 i build about three times the amount, per day (so basically every Tier 2 article receives around 3 backlinks per day).
Thanks
You're fine on the web 2.0's. They aren't like money sites - you can hit them hard. I just have a routine where I take new sites and start with a drip to the money site, and escalate from there.
On a new site, I typically I wait a few weeks to have a decent number of Tier1 properties before starting a tier2. Then I come in with a tier 2 at a ratio of about 10:1 for Tier2:Tier1.
If a site is mature, I have no problem building a tier2 simulataneously when I build the tier1. So that means I start blasting right away on the tier1.
ron
whats your strategy about tier 1 building?
I only want to build about 5 web 2.0 sites with 2posts each. then blast with GSA to them.
is it ok for low or medium competition keywords?or do you have any advice for me to the small niche sites with 5-10 posts?
thanks very much.
@dylan09 - That's more than enough for low to medium competition. And also use GSA to build other Tier1 properties where you use the spun content.
I am ranking hand built web 2.0's with only 1-2 posts for keywords that have over 10,000 exact match local searches. GSA really works my man. Let it rip!
We might be talking about two different things.
I was under the impression that @dylan09 was referring to 'hand-building' some web 2.0's which has nothing to do with GSA. Then he was manually editing those properties and adding a post or two.
The smart play with the 'good web 2.0 platforms', the ones that need to be built by hand, is to let the new content sit for 7-10 days without links (time to let any moderators look at it and be happy), drop the links in, and blast away.
And the point I was making was that after he built those by hand, he could blast them with GSA. Web 2.0's are not fragile like money sites. They can take a beating.
I also suggested if he was building some by hand, that he should also add regular auto-build GSA properties to Tier 1, and blast those right away. Those properties are not really moderated that heavily, if at all.
I actually did it with two new sites + an older site with a healthy linkprofile. 300 Links per day from blogs, articles, social bookmarks. Not guestbook.
The two new sites quickly began rising after about a week. Some hit just outsite page 1. Then a week later they have dropped off and are now gone from Google. Still indexed though. So initially great success, then vanished from top 100.
The older site has benefitted as well - really well. But same story really - just outside page 1 - then then rankings have stalled and gone backwards a little, but still much better rankings than before. The older site looks like it has the age - or link variety that keeps it floating.
GSA is still blasting to all three sites, plus I index the links with SB. It would be nice hearing from others who blast directly with GSA.
Instead of playing games where I know I will eventually get punched in the gut, I take a slower approach which really works.
I keep direct links to moneypage very measured. The next tier get a great hammering. And that's what helps me protect my rankings. Go too fast, especially with direct links, and it can take a while to recover.
How many direct links a day - and what kind?
I tend to go with 5 a day for a brand new site - at the home page. Maybe 2-3 on the important inner pages. I go with that a week or two, and then add a 2nd tier, and start pumping that in the mix.
Every couple of weeks I will increase both tier 1 and tier 2 a little. I found if I accelerate too fast the rankings will gyrate like crazy and it gets difficult to feel what is really happening.
You misunderstood. I use KM to create all tiers. I only have one project where I created hand built web 2.0's, and it still doesn't do as well as all my other projects which are spun from head to toe.
All tiers. Again, I'm not trying to rank the T1's and turn them into real websites. Their only function is to funnel linkjuice to the moneysite.
If I was trying to rank the T1's, then yes, I would put some effort into them to make them pleasantly readable. But I have enough to worry about with moneysites without having to worry about T1's.
You should do whatever makes you comfortable. I have taken the quick approach, and it works, but most sites that travel to the top quickly will travel even quicker to the bottom.
I don't think my method of 2-3 months for page 1 of google is all that slow. I mean, come on, I'm beating sites that have been up there for years.
Google cannot evaluate spin vs. original. They can detect duplicate content, they can evaluate metrics like number of words, keyword density, and all sorts of other things, but they cannot detect spin. Only a manual review can detect spin.
Some people get confused over this because they spun up a website and it tanks - not ever considering that Google trashed it because it had a 99% bounce rate - which is all google needs to know your site is crap.
Now, getting back on point - if you are trying to rank a site, then you better write original content.
If all you are doing is creating tiers to funnel link juice, then spin the living hell out of it.
Keep your money sites clean, hiqh quality.spin your tier 1..... and blast like star wars to them.......
sonic....... why should I change my tier 1 if I put good spintex on them?
I invest approx 3 hours for a good 450 words spintax article. ist perfectly readable, has approx 90% + unique......
well, I guess, even if someone would stumple over it, they would read it.......
Also, i found tons of links deleted and many not indexed. Huge problem really. So this means your rankings are only termporary unless to keep running GSA forever.
2 years ago, no SEO knowledge, I let a SEO company blast a link pyramid on my money site.
Would kick me for that..
Only ONE of 300 Tier 1 Links is still existent years later..
I like your input for sure. I am playing it even safer and making my tier 1 all readable and unique content. By super hand spinning to 85-95% uniqueness. Then I use KM for the rest of the levels. I see your point about google bot not knowing about readable content only a human can tell. But lets say you own the number one spot and get marked as spam by a competitor and they hand check some of your backlinks and they are all jibberish. (or some other future change with SE's) Then you could be done like dinner and all your hard work is toast.
and I see people here talking about their sites
climbing up to good rankings then falling off...
well this happens no matter if you use GSA or not
that's Googles way of determining how traffic reacts to
your site ... if people come... the bounce rate ...etc
before classing it into what "G" considers it's rightful
placement in the googlesphere...
for instance I put up a dynamic site a couple of weeks back
didn't touch it, now I have - About 63,200 results
I only added the affiliate links last week and I've made some nice $$
without doing anything...
so all the google dances and the ups and downs would have happened exactly
the same whether or not you used a backlinking software or not...
my google astrology advise to you is build web2.0 sites with links to you money site
and blast them into oblivion and your sites will be safe from googles all knowing all seeing
eyes... that looks for any unnatural linking strategies...
@mikie46 - Link building is a forever commitment. The trick is once you get the rankings to find the sweet spot where you only need to do 'x' tier 1 links and 'y' tier 2 links to maintain your ranking.
@ranknow - Totally cool. If I had a great system for cheaply and effortlessly populating tier1 properties with great content, I would do it. I just have too much on my plate to start spinning. It can be outsourced, and in some cases, I have done that. By the way, @takeachance has a great spin service, but he's just starting out with it, so not all topics are covered.
@micb11 - The only way people will believe that it is ok to spin tier1 is to go out and do it. See, I have done it both ways, and I'm killing it with the projects where I spun all tiers. You will never know 100% until you prove it to yourself. Always challenge 'conventional wisdom'. Most people parrot something else that somebody says, and if enough people parrot it, then the whole henhouse believes it.
@mikey - Right on brother!
@rodol - I have a system. I autosubmit them to Lindexed via GSA. I wait a couple of weeks, and extract my verified links by project group (after re-verifying and weeding out the trash first).
Then I separately check on indexing using SB. Since I have a running file, I edit out the ones already indexed, and I am left with a new list that needs to be indexed.
Then I take my lists by project group, and feed each group inro GSA Indexer. It creates about 1400 links for each link that needs indexing, and they are mostly dofollow. So +1 on GSA Indexer.
Then I wait a couple of more weeks. I see which ones are still not indexed. I then take those and put them in a gigantic SB blast to whatever blog will take my links
.
Then I give up.
p.s. - Of course, I could eliminate all steps above if I bought and learned xrumer. That's for another day.
tumblr, wordpress, livejournal, all works.
I either create a new unique article ... or I take a spintax article and optimise it...
remember: I create 90% readlabe spintax in WORD for tier 1. not the junk spin you see everywhere.
@sonic81 - No, SER is only sending a fraction of the links to Lindexed.
The only reason I haven't complained about it is because it takes two seconds to extract verified links and dump them into Lindexed.