Ron, so you're creating 5 tier1s to your homepage and 2-3 tier1s to inner pages, every day ... for 2 weeks? Thats approx 112 or so, or 50 a week. That's a lot of writing, since you stated elsewhere you don't use spun articles on tier1s? How do you find the time? Outsourcing...?
You misunderstood. I use KM to create all tiers. I only have one project where I created hand built web 2.0's, and it still doesn't do as well as all my other projects which are spun from head to toe.
All tiers. Again, I'm not trying to rank the T1's and turn them into real websites. Their only function is to funnel linkjuice to the moneysite.
If I was trying to rank the T1's, then yes, I would put some effort into them to make them pleasantly readable. But I have enough to worry about with moneysites without having to worry about T1's.
Ron, you appear quite cautious and advocate a slow/drip feed approach I've noticed, do you wonder that Google will cotton on to the poor grammar etc in your spintax articles at any point? Or does this not concern you as you have the numbers and PR etc. I am asking as I have just started out and am writing content by hand for tier 1s but already getting bored... Not sure if i should 'risk' switching to spintax om t1
You should do whatever makes you comfortable. I have taken the quick approach, and it works, but most sites that travel to the top quickly will travel even quicker to the bottom.
I don't think my method of 2-3 months for page 1 of google is all that slow. I mean, come on, I'm beating sites that have been up there for years.
Google cannot evaluate spin vs. original. They can detect duplicate content, they can evaluate metrics like number of words, keyword density, and all sorts of other things, but they cannot detect spin. Only a manual review can detect spin.
Some people get confused over this because they spun up a website and it tanks - not ever considering that Google trashed it because it had a 99% bounce rate - which is all google needs to know your site is crap.
Now, getting back on point - if you are trying to rank a site, then you better write original content.
If all you are doing is creating tiers to funnel link juice, then spin the living hell out of it.
in terms of uniqueness how often do people change their projects and put new kontent machine kontent on them? i.e. after how many links are verified?
i'm doing manual checks on copyscape every few weeks to see if my tier 1 generate kontent is started to get duplicated because i've distributed it to too many places.
no issues keeping a great tier1 that's actually better that what i'm doing. it all comes down to your risk tolerence and what u are trying to achieve.
i'm trying to use GSA to rank sites on autopilot a bit more aggressively and i'm happy risking a google slap if it comes down to it. i want to rank for certain buyer keywords quickly on certain EMDs and see if i can push them up within a month and monetize.
i don't use GSA for tier1 on sites that are making me a decent income i don't have the risk tolerence of that.
I blasted my second tier (not money site) for 6 weeks and i saw very good results. Then i left for vacation and went to Australia for 40 days. I noticed that not blasting links resulted in my sites dropping. Now im back blasting again. So really the question is, how long do you have to keep blasting? Its seems like forever otherwise youll drop ranks.
Also, i found tons of links deleted and many not indexed. Huge problem really. So this means your rankings are only termporary unless to keep running GSA forever.
I like your input for sure. I am playing it even safer and making my tier 1 all readable and unique content. By super hand spinning to 85-95% uniqueness. Then I use KM for the rest of the levels. I see your point about google bot not knowing about readable content only a human can tell. But lets say you own the number one spot and get marked as spam by a competitor and they hand check some of your backlinks and they are all jibberish. (or some other future change with SE's) Then you could be done like dinner and all your hard work is toast.
@ron. You have some very interesting points. I am creating highly spun articles for my tier 1 with the best spinner. However it takes about 2 hours to do. If you are creating tier 1 with KM you must be able to get a project up and running within 30 mins.
I think i might run a tier 1 KM next month to see what happens.
Well I'm as much Google astrologer as anyone here... and I see people here talking about their sites climbing up to good rankings then falling off... well this happens no matter if you use GSA or not that's Googles way of determining how traffic reacts to your site ... if people come... the bounce rate ...etc before classing it into what "G" considers it's rightful placement in the googlesphere...
for instance I put up a dynamic site a couple of weeks back didn't touch it, now I have - About 63,200 results
I only added the affiliate links last week and I've made some nice $$ without doing anything...
so all the google dances and the ups and downs would have happened exactly the same whether or not you used a backlinking software or not...
my google astrology advise to you is build web2.0 sites with links to you money site and blast them into oblivion and your sites will be safe from googles all knowing all seeing eyes... that looks for any unnatural linking strategies...
hey @ron do you make sure your links get indexed? you send them all to any indexing program or you use rss or something like that to index all yoru links?
@mikie46 - Link building is a forever commitment. The trick is once you get the rankings to find the sweet spot where you only need to do 'x' tier 1 links and 'y' tier 2 links to maintain your ranking.
@ranknow - Totally cool. If I had a great system for cheaply and effortlessly populating tier1 properties with great content, I would do it. I just have too much on my plate to start spinning. It can be outsourced, and in some cases, I have done that. By the way, @takeachance has a great spin service, but he's just starting out with it, so not all topics are covered.
@micb11 - The only way people will believe that it is ok to spin tier1 is to go out and do it. See, I have done it both ways, and I'm killing it with the projects where I spun all tiers. You will never know 100% until you prove it to yourself. Always challenge 'conventional wisdom'. Most people parrot something else that somebody says, and if enough people parrot it, then the whole henhouse believes it.
@rodol - I have a system. I autosubmit them to Lindexed via GSA. I wait a couple of weeks, and extract my verified links by project group (after re-verifying and weeding out the trash first).
Then I separately check on indexing using SB. Since I have a running file, I edit out the ones already indexed, and I am left with a new list that needs to be indexed.
Then I take my lists by project group, and feed each group inro GSA Indexer. It creates about 1400 links for each link that needs indexing, and they are mostly dofollow. So +1 on GSA Indexer.
Then I wait a couple of more weeks. I see which ones are still not indexed. I then take those and put them in a gigantic SB blast to whatever blog will take my links .
Then I give up.
p.s. - Of course, I could eliminate all steps above if I bought and learned xrumer. That's for another day.
yeah. thats like everyone says "eat your cereal" and "ear whole grains". which in fact have lots of gluten, to much carbs, make you fat, cause allergies.........
On the mainstream web 2.0 platforms you really have no choice but to use readable content. Many are manually reviewed, so make sure you don't put links in there for about a week.
i do that too. but do you think any side effects by continuing recrawling older links? i have no data or evidence to confirm this but i remember reading on a forum saying over pinging / crawling links can be harmful.
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You misunderstood. I use KM to create all tiers. I only have one project where I created hand built web 2.0's, and it still doesn't do as well as all my other projects which are spun from head to toe.
All tiers. Again, I'm not trying to rank the T1's and turn them into real websites. Their only function is to funnel linkjuice to the moneysite.
If I was trying to rank the T1's, then yes, I would put some effort into them to make them pleasantly readable. But I have enough to worry about with moneysites without having to worry about T1's.
You should do whatever makes you comfortable. I have taken the quick approach, and it works, but most sites that travel to the top quickly will travel even quicker to the bottom.
I don't think my method of 2-3 months for page 1 of google is all that slow. I mean, come on, I'm beating sites that have been up there for years.
Google cannot evaluate spin vs. original. They can detect duplicate content, they can evaluate metrics like number of words, keyword density, and all sorts of other things, but they cannot detect spin. Only a manual review can detect spin.
Some people get confused over this because they spun up a website and it tanks - not ever considering that Google trashed it because it had a 99% bounce rate - which is all google needs to know your site is crap.
Now, getting back on point - if you are trying to rank a site, then you better write original content.
If all you are doing is creating tiers to funnel link juice, then spin the living hell out of it.
Keep your money sites clean, hiqh quality.spin your tier 1..... and blast like star wars to them.......
sonic....... why should I change my tier 1 if I put good spintex on them?
I invest approx 3 hours for a good 450 words spintax article. ist perfectly readable, has approx 90% + unique......
well, I guess, even if someone would stumple over it, they would read it.......
Also, i found tons of links deleted and many not indexed. Huge problem really. So this means your rankings are only termporary unless to keep running GSA forever.
2 years ago, no SEO knowledge, I let a SEO company blast a link pyramid on my money site.
Would kick me for that..
Only ONE of 300 Tier 1 Links is still existent years later..
I like your input for sure. I am playing it even safer and making my tier 1 all readable and unique content. By super hand spinning to 85-95% uniqueness. Then I use KM for the rest of the levels. I see your point about google bot not knowing about readable content only a human can tell. But lets say you own the number one spot and get marked as spam by a competitor and they hand check some of your backlinks and they are all jibberish. (or some other future change with SE's) Then you could be done like dinner and all your hard work is toast.
and I see people here talking about their sites
climbing up to good rankings then falling off...
well this happens no matter if you use GSA or not
that's Googles way of determining how traffic reacts to
your site ... if people come... the bounce rate ...etc
before classing it into what "G" considers it's rightful
placement in the googlesphere...
for instance I put up a dynamic site a couple of weeks back
didn't touch it, now I have - About 63,200 results
I only added the affiliate links last week and I've made some nice $$
without doing anything...
so all the google dances and the ups and downs would have happened exactly
the same whether or not you used a backlinking software or not...
my google astrology advise to you is build web2.0 sites with links to you money site
and blast them into oblivion and your sites will be safe from googles all knowing all seeing
eyes... that looks for any unnatural linking strategies...
@mikie46 - Link building is a forever commitment. The trick is once you get the rankings to find the sweet spot where you only need to do 'x' tier 1 links and 'y' tier 2 links to maintain your ranking.
@ranknow - Totally cool. If I had a great system for cheaply and effortlessly populating tier1 properties with great content, I would do it. I just have too much on my plate to start spinning. It can be outsourced, and in some cases, I have done that. By the way, @takeachance has a great spin service, but he's just starting out with it, so not all topics are covered.
@micb11 - The only way people will believe that it is ok to spin tier1 is to go out and do it. See, I have done it both ways, and I'm killing it with the projects where I spun all tiers. You will never know 100% until you prove it to yourself. Always challenge 'conventional wisdom'. Most people parrot something else that somebody says, and if enough people parrot it, then the whole henhouse believes it.
@mikey - Right on brother!
@rodol - I have a system. I autosubmit them to Lindexed via GSA. I wait a couple of weeks, and extract my verified links by project group (after re-verifying and weeding out the trash first).
Then I separately check on indexing using SB. Since I have a running file, I edit out the ones already indexed, and I am left with a new list that needs to be indexed.
Then I take my lists by project group, and feed each group inro GSA Indexer. It creates about 1400 links for each link that needs indexing, and they are mostly dofollow. So +1 on GSA Indexer.
Then I wait a couple of more weeks. I see which ones are still not indexed. I then take those and put them in a gigantic SB blast to whatever blog will take my links
.
Then I give up.
p.s. - Of course, I could eliminate all steps above if I bought and learned xrumer. That's for another day.
tumblr, wordpress, livejournal, all works.
I either create a new unique article ... or I take a spintax article and optimise it...
remember: I create 90% readlabe spintax in WORD for tier 1. not the junk spin you see everywhere.
@sonic81 - No, SER is only sending a fraction of the links to Lindexed.
The only reason I haven't complained about it is because it takes two seconds to extract verified links and dump them into Lindexed.