PVA = phone verified account. Basically, if you want to use Web2Rule, you need phone verified accounts, and you can only use that many on one SIM (subscriber identity module) card. For example, after a few Google accounts that you verify via a text message, they will stop your number. I believe they only allow up to five on one number. A SIM card is basically your phone number . This makes it that they don't delete your account fast, since spammers dont use PVAs anyway (at least they think so )
I use Web2Rule to get +1s, Tweets and Likes to my Money Page. They also have the option to get Google+ account followers, which will strenghten your Author profile (remember, you link your Google+ profile to your money website, and you boost that profile as this is your web site persona). They are planning to add Pinterest pins, Twitter followers and Facebook followers in the near future. So, this is basically how your social signal stuff would look like in the end:
1. You create your master Google+ account, and link it to your website via rel=author. Here's the tutorial for that: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/2539557?hl=en. This way, every time your site appears in the search engines, you'll have your picture there. The CTR is amazing; I don't even care if I don't rank #1 anymore, simply because I get all the clicks. The only thing that's important is to rank above the fold (without scrolling down). This fake persona will be the author of your website. Make sure you fill out the "about me" section of the site with some gibberish. Something like "I have a wife and two kids, and I own a washing machine company blabla...I decided to build this site to help people who are struggling when buying washing machines...." ...you get it.
2. You create 3 phone verified accounts on Google+, Twitter and Facebook, which makes it a total of 9. All of them have to have a picture, a bio - basically, fill out everything you can to make it look real.
3. You download and install Web2Rule (it's free for 1 website, and $14/m for 7 websites, plus you get free credits and you can set your projects to private) and submit your sites there. Don't submit spammy trash sites because they won't approve them. Then you assign credits to your project as you see fit. I always set 100 tweets, Likes and +1s to a page that I want to rank, drip feeding 3 +1s per day, 10 Likes per day and 10 Tweets per day. If I need more, I assign more. Just don't go crazy with +1s - Max 3 per day (this is actually max allowed in the software as well).
The way it works is actually very simple. You start the software and it goes into your accounts (very natural, slow pace), and submits other users' websites, as well as general news and quotes. The ratio and velocity is very natural looking; sometimes, when I look at those accounts, I tell you, you can hardly tell that it is a fake account. Web2Rule does everything naturally; it writes your username, then waits, then writes your password, just like a real person would do. When other users' websites get +1-ed, tweeted,liked (or the users' master Google+ account gets followed) on your accounts, you get credits. There are no footprints left because everything is done through Internet Explorer inside of the software. They don't allow VPS so you have to run it on your own PC.
As I've already mentioned, they will implement Pinterest Pins and follows, Facebook friendships and Twitter follower options soon. When this happens, I would create 4 master accounts with same first name and last name:
1. Google+ profile which would also be the "author" of the site.
2. Facebook account with the same name and last name.
3. Twitter account with the same name and last name.
4. Pinterest account.
Then, I would fire up Web2Rule and do 2 things:
1. Continue pumping the money pages with +1s, tweets, likes and pins.
2. Pump the master profiles (the author persona) on all 4 social networks.
In a month or 2 - you have a strong brand and a strong social presence - all on autopilot! .
@nitinsy They allow multiple inner pages. You can even connect your pages via your sitemap.xml, so you don't have to bother doing it manually. That's why I wrote Money Page, not Money Site in the graph above . By the way, here's the graph that I just made about this (I hope you'll understand):
Thanks for the quick reply. Can you elaborate on this "connect your pages via your sitemap.xml,"?
What does this mean?
My site has 100s of pages and I would like to distribute the social signals across a majority of these pages (if not all) and in some random way. Is that possible? and how to set it up?
I think it's possible. You have to go to Projects and enter the URL of your website sitemap. It usually ends with a .xml . Then, it will distribute the shares across all the pages. I've never done it that way though, so I can't tell you more.
+1 @jurky3fo - that is exactly what I wanted to know. My angle of questioning (which you answered) was 'growing the authority of the various social media homepages' (not just Google, but also Twitter, Facebook and Pinterest).
My theory is that good things can happen if you go well beyond getting rudimentary +1's, Likes, Pins and Tweets to the moneysite...so that you have a system where your social media 'home pages' get their own following. To me, that seriously augments the notion that we are a true authority because our social media home pages become 'popular'.
Yeah, this is exactly the direction I have been plotting, and never knew about this service. Very cool indeed.
Thanks for the time and effort you put into this to explain everything. You were very thorough and I really appreciate it!
jurky3fo - just want to say thanks to you too. W2 is looking very cool indeed. Just got into it a few days ago thanks to you. Still need to fully get my head around it, but seems very promising. May have to pick your brain a bit more once I figure out my specific questions! lol In the meantime, again, thanks!
@Kreist Wow, you asked the right question at the right time. Just today they updated the software to give you Youtube views. I don't know if they allow Youtube vids for likes, tweets and +1s, because the author has said that they won't allow their users to suffer noise in the background because you have to leave it opened to get credits.
@jurky3fo Yes that is a very handy module, and fwiw I have google analytics on that site too
Seems a lot of people are using the Youtube traffic module too, my lazy ass client is sitting there watching videos all day now 8->
If this service, or another like it, can provide robust social signals it is going to completely change my workflow.
Gone will be the days of pumping out massive amounts of shite content to thousands of sites. Social signals plus a small - but very high quality - amount of T1 properties with a very diverse set of anchors, backlinked / indexed with more very high quality readable content should suffice. Lower quality content can be used just on tier 3.
I've already moved over to creating massively spun master content, as you mentioned in another thread. It might be a royal pain to create, but as you said it covers your content requirements for probably the lifetime of the site. Not sure if you are doing it completely manually, but I am using Ubertoolz to help speed up the creation.
@Gecko Yeah, I'm doing it manually . It's a shame you can't outsource this kind of work, simply because you can't trust anyone when it comes to creating readable ultrasuperduper spun content. Sometimes, it takes me a whole week to create one from scratch. At the end of that week, I want to pull my hair out, because it is soooo boring . At least you won't have to bother getting new content for that niche ever again lol.
@jurky3fo - a week?! Have you looked at Ubertoolz? Can produce the type of content you are talking about in a day or two maximum depending on how many variations you want.
The best thing about it is that it is not created using nested spintax, although you include that if you want to. You actually end up with a document format that is quite readable and editable. They also have features that allow you to customise how many paragraphs/sentences to pull when creating an output. Also other things like random headings and alternate paragraphs. Highly recommend you have a look if you are already spending a week on spinning your own.
I'm sure people will think it is mad spending this long creating content, but bear in mind that this stuff will index all day long. It might be spun, but it is as highly readable and unique as any other manually written content.
@AlexR You mean you spin it? You say out of 1000 - that's a lot of writing if you're not spinning
Obviously depends on where you are sending it to. Try sending just 10% of that to sites that are indexed regularly and if it really is quality, I don't think you will have such a low success rate.
Can we assume that all your spun output is adequately unique? Do you check for this before submitting?
I submit to many different sites, but not a large amount for any one of my sites - I really don't see the need for hundreds of Tier 1 contextual links. Obviously that is different on Tier 2/3.
Build up some decent profiles at some of the better sites out there and keep them updated with fresh content before linking out to your $ sites.
Then consider a private blog network to give some really powerful instant juice. Keep it all diluted and almost transparent with loads of anchor diversity.
@Gecko - thanks. Been busy with a hundred things, now to nail down some loose ends.
1) Who do you use to check unique content?
2) Private Blog Network - any you can recommend? (Can you PM this if possible?)
3) So you don't use many contextual links at your moneysite? You mainly use a number of updated web2.0's and just build links to them? (like a buffer set of sites)
@AlexR - There must be a tool on your spinner to see how unique your outputs are yes? If you are writing the material from scratch I wouldn't worry about using an online plagiarism checker, but do check your spinning is adequate.
Not gonna share any private networks here. There's some people that post here that are closely linked to private networks, have a dig about - they aren't actually that secret!
I don't really worry about platform as much as I look at the quality and opinion the big G has of them. There are tons of sites you can submit content to that G loves. I'd personally forget about wiki's or what they are.
Even if you have to manually submit your spun content to them it's worth it. Mix it all up with some bookmarking and topical blog commenting to make it seem like there is a human in the chain somewhere.
hey jurky, could you discuss setting up your g auth accounts in a little more detail? do you use proxies when you sign in to the diff accounts? and where do you source them once you've gone beyond your five per sim? thx
@vic_mackey Hey, to be honest, I've made a total of around 10 Google+ master accounts for my sites, because that's how many sites I have, so the sims weren't a problem (I took 5 off of my own cell phone and 5 off of my brother). However, for the feeder accounts that you need to put into Web2Rule, I just outsourced them to a guy from BHW. I think its around $9 for 3 Google, Facebook and Twitter PVA accounts with pictures and a profile. You only need to do it once. If you have a good looking profile, there is a very slim chance that it'll get deleted. If it does, just replace it.
I don't use any proxies for this, because we are not talking about large number of accounts. These accounts need to be high in quality, not in quantity. I also like what the author of the software posted recently on BHW:
"Anybody who is having issues with Google Plus. A few suggestions as we have 1500 users now and we see a lot of jobs go by and always run tests of our own. If you have issues with plus sticking.
1. Dont use the plus module on top of the projects module. Sending to many is usually a bad idea. The sites we see having the best ratio of keeping their pluses are running very low steady volume.
2. There will always be plus slippage and we see that on the test sites as well, to us its not ideal but not a big issue as long as the site is doing better in the serps. We see the follow function as being a lot more useful in serps as well.
3. So what are we doing on our end to make it better? We are going to add more what we call Deep Organics which is just an extension of the regular organics of just putting out plan info txts. We are looking at using more services per Google account like gmail, hangouts etc to build up the overall natural quality of the accounts that are added. As what a person normally does with a Google account is, hangout on youtube, send emails etc as we add more natural process like this it should decrease slippage.
4. We are most likely going to decrease the daily limits you can order for plus as we see people order 3 per day x 30 Urls and its not net positive across the entire network. That would be everything going on for plus that I can see from our end. Hope that helps."
Sorry If im just being slow, but, in your diagram you say that your master account links to your money site. And the Web2Rule people link to your money site and to your master accounts.
I don't see how in any of the options they link to your master account for Twitter and Facebook. All you do is put in the url you want to be liked, which has to be your moneysite url. They come on and like the page, they don't come on and like the page and then go and like your facebook master page. Or am i missing something? Do they just do both but there is no setting to tell me they are doing both?
The only option to get people to follow you is the Google Follow module, where people come on and follow your master account. I don't understand all your interlinking Although I am probably wrong.. :P
Same thing with the Twitter module, you get your money page Tweeted by the Web2Rule crowd, but they don't follow your Master Twitter page. They just tweet the money page url, so on your mone ypage you will see X number of tweets. You don't get X number of followers.
@tcsmith007 I wrote somewhere earlier that they only support Google+ follows right now, and everything else is still in the process of making. The diagram that I drew is how the system will work once it is completely finished. Now you only get Google+ followers.
Quick question @jurky3fo Do you keep your Master accounts separate to the ones you use as your 3 verified accounts in Web2Rule. If you put them in for Twitter / Google + you get lots of tweets a day and lots of posts on Google + .
Or you reckon it isn't wise because if they get banned you would lose your master account ^^
I keep everything separated. Think of it like this:
1. My master account is simply my website persona, and it is completely related to my money site. So, the master account "John Doe" is used for Analytics, Webmaster Tools, Google+ Profile (John Doe, linked to the site via rel=author), Facebook Profile (John Doe), Twitter Profile (John Doe) and Pinterest Profile (John Doe). These are the accounts that I create manually for every new website that I create. I also fill them out manually, and make them look as real as possible. I don't post anything on them except the new article that I've published on my site and a few occasional random "thoughts" without links. I've never gotten a single account banned. Then, Web2Rule builds followers to these accounts over time (only Google+ account currently) which strengthens my social profile. Note that I don't put any of these into Web2Rule. The software has nothing to do with them except that it boosts them with followers.
2. You only really need 3 accounts of each (Twitter, Facebook and Google+) to feed them to Web2Rule, and generally, you can just outsource them to someone. There are plenty of PVA account creation services out there. Then, you can make those profiles look genuine as well. Just write the "bio", "job" and "interest" sections (or whatever) from your head and you'll be finished in no time. These accounts are used for generating credits on Web2Rule and they are in no way, shape or form related to the master accounts.
Generally, you don't want to overestimate the guys at Google. Sure they are smart when it comes to engineering, but it took them almost 12 or so years to finally conclude that a profile which has 99% of the anchor text "dog training" to a "dog training" site isn't as natural , which tells you a lot about their "spam" team. Just play the game slowly, and don't be impressed by the numbers of backlinks or social signals. Rather, make them strong. That's the name of the game today, even though some people are able to slip through with high amounts of spam and they stay ranked for months.
That sounds good to me, If you are creating a facebook page though don't you have to create it as a business page not just a normal facebook page. If you are just creating a normal facebook page people can't like your profile like they do on the business pages. Just a thought.
@AlexR - For me I don't have enough control to let SER do the T1 links. I let other tools do that or do it manually. SER is a beast that is best left to run wild on the less critical links.
Not really my area of expertise. Without wanting to sound too much of an Ubertoolz fan boy in this thread, the main man did a bunch of vids about ranking post panda/penguin a while back.
The info on achor text diveristy is gold, even if it does seem stupidly simple when you see what he has to say. The ratio's mentioned are wildly different from what I see banded about in most places.
Guys, I have 2 questions.. if you make web 2.0 properties manually, do you disable comments? I guess it would be more natural if there could be commenting.. on the other hand it will prob be blasted full of spam with scrapebox which is not good?
And the 2nd question.. say i make a blog post, my blog address where the post is on top is myblogsname.blogger.com, and when i click on the exact post there it is myblogsname.blogger.com/posts/posts-name.html .. Which one should I make Tier 2 to? or both? Thanks for your discussions!!
Just read it in full. Interesting about the nofollow thing, thanks @ron... . Anyone have any ideas on how to get an increase/more in nofollow links , obviously not selecting the 'Try to skip nofollow' is one... What type of links are generally nofollow?
@ Brikka, i agree with you. I am very suspicious about the accuracy on such a report when it concludes by saying that Google +1 and Facebook likes are more important than backlinks.
Before working kard in backlinks, i worked hard in social medias, i concluded it did not help at all. It was almost a pure waste of time. It does not bring a stable source of traffic.
Social medias are emotional because of buzzes. I prefer not to work with them and get stable incomes.
I have tested social likes, tweets etc numerous times and no only did they not improve rankings in any way, in a split test with sites with no social exposure at all those sites with social exposure did not consistently rank higher.
My conclusion is that social likes play practically no part in ranking a website at all and since those tests (over a year ago) i don't use them at all and still get good rankings.
@jurky3fo any idea for more then 100+ Projects with W2R without agency account? this is the W2R offer: "Free users can have one project saved and running in Projects
Tab. Pro users can have up to 7 projects
running per subscription." And Agency cost over 550 USD every month for 100 Projects
Time to make a Premium Exchange Network for GSA Users with PVA Accounts and complete Profile with Bio and Image... :-)
The problem is for those who are saying that social stuff doesn't work - this might be true to an extent, but how easy is it for Google to run a basic test on a site eg if it has 5,000 inbound links to a page but has 0 likes, 0 tweets, etc.. Is this natural? I don't think so. Or what if they integrate it into an algorithm in future? They will know if a page goes from 0 likes to 1000 likes as they'll watch for just that, presumably.
It doesn't harm your rankings to little bit of social signals going on. I don't get too hung up on it, I normally just buy a few dripfeed options to 'popular' pages on my site to be safe, AHrefs analyses this so we can assume Google does to some extent - even if it's just trying to spot pages that are trying to cheat eg that have 10,000 likes that someone has bought on Fiverr for $5.
Excellent material. Thanks jurky3fo on the Web2Rule details. And to ron on the feedback as well as for the SER and Tiers post. Also thanks to Ozz for [Guide] High Quality Campaigns...
I just bought Search Engine Ranker, Captcha Breaker, and Indexer... Slow and High Quality all the way....
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+1 @jurky3fo - that is exactly what I wanted to know. My angle of questioning (which you answered) was 'growing the authority of the various social media homepages' (not just Google, but also Twitter, Facebook and Pinterest).
My theory is that good things can happen if you go well beyond getting rudimentary +1's, Likes, Pins and Tweets to the moneysite...so that you have a system where your social media 'home pages' get their own following. To me, that seriously augments the notion that we are a true authority because our social media home pages become 'popular'.
Yeah, this is exactly the direction I have been plotting, and never knew about this service. Very cool indeed.
Thanks for the time and effort you put into this to explain everything. You were very thorough and I really appreciate it!
So you have really ranked your site just with social signals without any single backlink? How long is it ranking?
thanks!
And the 2nd question.. say i make a blog post, my blog address where the post is on top is myblogsname.blogger.com, and when i click on the exact post there it is myblogsname.blogger.com/posts/posts-name.html .. Which one should I make Tier 2 to? or both? Thanks for your discussions!!
Completely ditch the comments. You don't want outgoing links as that diminishes the juice you pass to your moneysite.
@ Brikka, i agree with you. I am very suspicious about the accuracy on such a report when it concludes by saying that Google +1 and Facebook likes are more important than backlinks.
Before working kard in backlinks, i worked hard in social medias, i concluded it did not help at all. It was almost a pure waste of time. It does not bring a stable source of traffic.
Social medias are emotional because of buzzes. I prefer not to work with them and get stable incomes.
I have tested social likes, tweets etc numerous times and no only did they not improve rankings in any way, in a split test with sites with no social exposure at all those sites with social exposure did not consistently rank higher.
My conclusion is that social likes play practically no part in ranking a website at all and since those tests (over a year ago) i don't use them at all and still get good rankings.
Time to make a Premium Exchange Network for GSA Users with PVA Accounts and complete Profile with Bio and Image... :-)
It doesn't harm your rankings to little bit of social signals going on. I don't get too hung up on it, I normally just buy a few dripfeed options to 'popular' pages on my site to be safe, AHrefs analyses this so we can assume Google does to some extent - even if it's just trying to spot pages that are trying to cheat eg that have 10,000 likes that someone has bought on Fiverr for $5.
:-)
Understand