Indexing - Things I Have Learned
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I just wanted to start this thread as a lot of people have asked questions about indexing.
Just some initial comments: I am not claiming to be the expert on indexing. But getting this thing started, and the ensuing comments, will probably help people. Plus keeping it in one place will make it easier for people to find it.
Indexing - Why It Matters
Let's say you have two websites that are very equal in all respects. Site 1 has 10,000 backlinks and 5,000 of those links are indexed. Site 2 has 10,000 links and only 2,000 of those links are indexed. Assuming those backlinks are equal in all respects, I would bet big money Site 1 outranks Site 2.
Indexing is the equivalent of the 'Google Library' keeping that link (book) on their shelves. In other words, indexed links have value - they are worthy to be noted and stored by Google. The more indexed links you have aimed at your site (including all tier structures), the better you will rank.
This is why indexing matters.
How To Check On Indexing
I use Scrapebox because it is quicker, and always use public proxies. Be prepared to do several iterations to completely figure out your list as public proxies burn out fast.
I try to do this once a month, and only export the list from SER where I left off previously. That way it stays manageable.
I keep the results segregated, so I export T1 results only, T2T3 results next, and finally T1AT2AT3A as the final file.
Once I check on the indexing, I keep the results segregated again so I know what the heck I am doing. So T1-Indexed, T1- NotIndexed, etc. That way I only send files for special indexing that are not already indexed.
Pinging
I was using the GSA SER pinger for the first 4 months or so. But since I was already sending things to Lindexed automatically via the API, and since Lindexed already includes pinging as part of its process, I discontinued using SER's pinger - it was a waste of resources and was a drag on performance. Less SER functions = higher LPM.
If you use the SER pinger, I strongly encourage you - when the pinging routine starts (which you can tell by looking at the scrolling log) - to print about 5 minutes worth of the log to a textfile on your desktop. Why?
You will find that many pinging services have 'failed' remarks. I took that text file and sorted it in Excel, and discovered half of my pinging services were outright failures. Talk about a waste of time.
You only need 5-10 pinging services at most. Many would argue you only need one reliable one, and they are probably correct. Regardless, narrowing down the services will noticeably speed up your LPM.
Does pinging really work? I'm not a huge fan of pinging. I think it helps, but most people overdo it with too many services, and I would think Google pays attention to ping spammers. So take it easy on the pinging.
Natural Indexation
If you do nothing - no pinging, no services, no backlinks - some pages will index on their own. So if you plan on doing some extra legwork to help indexation, understand that the natural rate of indexing occurs over weeks and months. So things get very convoluted on whether it was natural - or assisted by some service you employed - so keep that in mind.
I believe it is in your best interest to intervene - to use some type of service to boost the indexation rate, and go beyond the natural rate.
Why do some things get indexed, and others do not? Value. What do you think is easier to get indexed: 1) an 800 word article on your topic, or 2) a forum profile with a URL? Which has more value? Which has the higher likelihood of getting indexed? Obviously #1 does. So understanding the type of links you build, and your mix of platforms, will greatly influence the %'s of indexation.
Indexing Tiers
I just ran an analysis of my indexing rate on T1, T2, T3 - my contextual tiers, and T1A, T2A, T3A - my junk-crap-kitchen sink tiers. Here's the results:
T1 = 34%
T2 & T3 = 38%
T1A T2A, T3A = 75%
So the two questions you should have is: Why is my T1, T2, T3 so low? And Why are the crap tiers so high?
The answer:
The T123 contextual properties are brand new webpages. The older ones are indexed 50% - 70%. The newer ones are indexed 0% -10%. It averages to about 36%. These pages were created out of thin air. It takes a while - and some work - to get them to index.
The T1AT2AT3A are mostly comments on existing webpages. And how did I post on these pages? Well, GSA searched Google and the other search engines. And guess what? If GSA was able to find them on a search - it means they were already indexed!!! So by definition, if you search existing pages that are in the search engines to leave a link, you already gain the value of indexing. It funnels up through your tiers to your money site.
Again, take a look at your indexation on these tiers. You will probably find similar results. What it means is that you should consider working harder to get your T1, T2 and T3 indexed because that is the hardest part.
Indexing Services
If you ping, some pages will get indexed. I would consider pinging the least effective way to get indexed.
If you add a service like Lindexed (and there are many others), your pages will get crawled by googlebots. Crawling is the first step before anything can get indexed: Crawling = Noticed. Lindexed gets your pages a 100% crawl rate. So it sure doesn't hurt. I have found Lindexed the most cost-effective way to get some extra indexation above and beyond natural indexation. You can send 50,000 links per day, and the cost is $25 per month. I know I can vouch for this service - it really helps. I also know there are competitors. Use whatever you want. Regardless of what you do, I would encourage you to use something!
I have been using GSA Indexer with a lot of success. It is best to use it on another computer, on another internet connection - when you use it on full blast. I use it on Full Indexer mode (300 threads), and only on 'sites that can accept deep links'. You end up with about 420 dofollow links and about 30 nofollow links per URL you submit. I have noticed a very nice jump in indexation with this tool - as much as a 25% boost in a couple of weeks. So for a measly $20, Sven has a great tool for you to use that will help you.
Last but not least, the most effective way on the planet to get something indexed is to build backlinks to it. But you can't keep building tiers. Otherwise what are you doing? T15, T16 LOL. If I had the discipline and the time, I would take a pure spamming tool like xrumer and plaster the links at the bottom tiers with a zillion links. Hah! And that would be the ultimate conclusion - sealing my spam with an extra heavy duty layer of spam. I don't do it, but that's what I would do if I had 40 hours in a day.
Summary
The things I focus on:
1) T1, T2, T3 - try to do everything you can to get these properties indexed
2) If on a budget, use SER Ping, but weed out the good pinging services, and only use a handful at most
3) Try to hook up with a service like Lindexed - or its competitors - it will definitely help
4) Use GSA Indexer, but try to run it separately from SER (or greatly reduce the threads in Indexer if you use it concurrently with SER)
5) Lastly, understand the types of links you are building. Pull up that pie chart, and see what you are building in the big picture sense. It will help you to understand what the heck you are doing!
Comments
https://forum.gsa-online.de/discussion/994/rss-feed-creator-and-rss-feed-submit-to-aggregators/p1
Best way to learn is to play with it (SER) that is.
@Ozz that is hysterical! I really like the psychedelic colors.
@seagul, that's funny because I started to write something about RSS feeds, but dropped it because I found it was a) too much a pain in the ass, b) was overkilled by the seo community for years, but more importantly c) it's already done with Lindexed and other similar providers.
@Brandon, I don't have a white lab coat on, and I don't have the time to run tests in a lab. I need to make a living, and sometimes I just use what's between my ears to make intelligent judgments.
For example, I do not need evidence or scientific proof to 'know' it is better to have higher PR links pointing to my site as opposed to lower PR sites.
No one can 'know' anything with respect to Google's algorithm - perhaps the most guarded secret on the planet. Not to mention the fact that it evolves and changes every hour.
What I can tell you from experience is that when I actively work to index my backlinks, my rankings always improve. That is all the proof I need.
@tryggvirafn - Thanks for the heads up on Backlink Monitor. I looked at that a long time ago and forgot about it - I think it's worth a second look.
So far It honestly hasn't been too much a hassle doing it the way I have been doing it - I kind of just let everything run and scoop up the results when it's finished.
But I think BM makes it more of a one click deal. Checking the indexing on 100's of thousands of links can't be done with private proxies though as they get banned immediately. That's why you have to use public proxies.
How does BM handle the proxy issue?
@AlexR
1) I still do it because I found GSA Indexer to have a measurable positive effect - they're a different type of link platform. I agree that the underneath backlinks should be enough, but they don't always do the trick.
2) I'm only running the Indexer on T1A2A3A junk links that aren't already indexed. I know it will get some of them indexed, but I am curious to see if it is worthwhile overall. I never measured the results on this tier separated from everything else - however this time I am measuring the effect. I still do it last, and when I have the extra capacity to let that many links run through the Indexer.
@Dunce - agreed that it was a general comment, but links on already indexed pages still get crawled faster than the alternative. I can only deduce that many get crawled pretty quickly as I can see that in my rankings - and so should you. The great part about Lindexed is that I get a 100% crawl rate on all links I drop, whether on an indexed or non-indexed page - so it helps me from both sides of the equation.
tryggvirafn You still have to answer my question from above:
"How does BM handle the proxy issue?"
I also use mine to send non-indexed to Indexifciation.com using api.
Great tool.
What is/are the Tops threads?
Head in GSA and ScrapeBox and brain in the fridge!
I actually got put on to Backlink Monitor by Matthew Woodward, he did a great review/video on his site.
For me, every verified link, regardless of tier, first goes to lindexed. In effect, that helps all contextual tiers.
Anything I do with GSA Indexer is a separate deal, performed every so often (when I have extra time), to give an extra boost. The contextual tiers are my primary concern. Those are all brand new pages.
Most of the links on the kitchen sinks tiers are indexed quickly as most of those links are some type of comment on already existing/indexed websites - as I have documented.
I tried GSA Indexer for the first time earlier today. I didn't know what to expect out of it. I've been using Indexification - now I'm considering dropping that subscription and just using the GSA Indexer. For me it's more than enough to get my work done and save me monthly subscriber cash as well. I push local business sites in my area only. So you can imagine I don't even use half of my subscription's 50,000 links per day to index limit.
I added a new client's domain to host just this morning after getting his design ready. His domain is a few years old. When I checked his links Google was only seeing 1-literally 1. After I launched his new design online I used GSA Indexer to start linking right away. I checked a little while ago and his links on Google are now at about 171 or so: ThunarElectric.com
I'm new here. I don't know if this has already come up, if so, I apologize in advance, but it would be great if the private proxies we use in GSA Search Engine Ranker could be used simultaneously running it and the GSA Indexer?
I'd anxiously want to click the "Index Check" under verified links list, but I want to be sure.. does it use proxies? Should it use proxies in the first place? I am just wondering how safe it is.. or if it's gonna check all the links in index with my vps ip and leave footprints..?
I never use SER to check indexing because it would ban my private proxies. If you do it, use public proxies only. I use Scrapebox with public proxies myself because I track indexing outside of SER.
Sorry, I just re-read that and I meant as @jjumpm2 mentioned that do you get a lot of sites reported as not indexed when they are?