From what i've seen they don't get indexed. The software also does Bing, yandex and yahoo. They don't have any impact on rankings. They show up on ahrefs and look great with their metrics. But I wouldn't expect them to do anything for google rankings.
It's the debate about crawled vs indexed links impacting google rankings. Easy enough to get them crawled, but if they block the directory from being indexed, it will never get indexed.
There are other redirect links that do get indexed so those are the ones to use. Plenty of footprints for the other redirects in GSA.
sickseo OK, that's basically what I thought likely useful to inflate some metrics and I guess there is demand for that from some "seo" posts I have read? I sent some "tests" to indexing and I have not heard back from reports while usually I have some progress after a few days. So I think your right about the indexing part.
Any thoughts about this... A script that not only creates the redirects, but visits all the redirect "pages" clicking on the url "registering" the redirect to the Url through G "services".
Any value in CTR stuff or basically "forcing" G to be aware of that link now, since the redirect actually happened via browser many times? I don't mean a redirect the was created and some tiers build to it and/or just crawled. Maybe there is some indexing value?
I was starting to wonder if you were still around Glad to see you are
I've done some recent testing with CTR and I have seen rankings move up for brand terms but not much movement on keyword terms. Likely due to the difference in competitiveness. CTR vs building indexed links - links have far more impact from what I've seen.
I've come across that strategy - using traffic to influence the indexing of links, but I've not seen any evidence of it being successful. The idea is that google wants to serve a result in the serps for every search query, so if it returns zero results it's failed as a search engine. You'd have to test it and perhaps after an "X" amount of searches, it will eventually index the url. But I've never seen it happen.
Using search indexing or CTR is tough though as to do it right you need unique profiles to avoid fingerprints from each search. Plus a shit ton of ip's to do the searches with. Expensive to do it properly. I've got my own CTR bot built with zenno for google and bing so far. Works very well and traffic shows up in GSC. But I'm only running it with 100 UK and 100 USA dedi proxies. To do it properly I'd need to use millions of residential ips or mobile proxies and that's not cheap.
I agree, there are ways to do it and then there are ways to get results. Unfortunately, it's not cheap to run even if you can build it yourself. I have seen people try this, but I can also see specific reasons right off the bat that that would cause them not to get intended results.
Yeah, There is others on just YouTube as well, for example like the video event redirect link. I think there is strategy somewhere here, but it's got to go beyond just creating link and sending to indexer or building tiers to it. I sent a ton of different links to speedy and its probably been 6 days and nothing came back which is a first. I sent like 800 or so in separate related files, after they were clicked on the page and redirected to the link through G services.
hhmmmm... better shut my big mouth before this is marketed on BHW, Likely would be missing the variables that make it get results, so I maybe no worries.
Like you say, I can see that site:https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q= does get indexed so I wonder why the 60 or so I sent to speedyIndex did not. . . Yet? Should I try to wrap them in anchors and through them on a Medium or Linkedin page?
Blog comments work good for indexing. I never had any good results with speedyindex. I sent 200 urls which were all wordpress sites which should have been super easy to index. After 10 days only 5 were indexed which I thought was a bit of a joke lol.
Rankerx indexer works good. It's the only service I've used with consistently good results. Literally 100% indexing on wordpress urls. It's good for my wordpress projects. Works good on other links too, so I may do a test on some you tube links.
You can try medium or linkedin, but you'll still have to get those links indexed to effect the you tube links.
That's strange and Id think same joke, but I filter urls sent and been getting like 80 indexed. Then I sent these redirects and havent heard back. But your right wordpress should index super easy. Hopefully if there is issue it gets sorted out. I know they added Yandex the other day. But I can see how if dont grow a good and large "network" for this it can get burned pretty easy. I dont really send first tier there either.
That's an interesting concept. Don't think those google urls will do anything unless you can get them indexed. But doing that with other redirects that index should do something for rankings and metric boosting.
Nice, I know what kinds of questions pull some of you guys into the conversation now
@royalmice Isn't that what some would call a redirect chain? I guess "stacking" if want to use a buzz word? Or "pushing"
I've been wondering about this too because I built a little toolthat builds these redirects so if .cse the custom search engine was 1 engine it has 11 engines on 60ish tld's or so each and hits every live .tld that is valid an creates its own page. Then it visits the page and clicks on the "final destination" registering the link through G and landing on the page I'd want to promote. I'm still not sure exact usefulness if any since not one of them indexed yet, then again I sent 2000 blog comments to speedy and none of those have yet either. Its only been 1-2 days but up to this point I have had verified links indexing very quickly and a good amount from them. I hope the Yandex addition didnt affect the G indexing? Maybe I should try another way before I write this method off?
I got feed up with all the fake pinging scripts and seo tools you can find on the internet doing research and trying to collect useful stuff. I found maybe 1-3 pingers worth using or even live, and all these "pingers" "indexers" and "seo tools scripts" well the truth is they do NOTHING! Yeah, a lot of things are happening on the front end making it look like a lot is happening, but absolutely nothing is on backend. Its just creating links for sites that dont exist and Google will never know about. Most using sites that don't even exist anymore. And the ones that "work" well the only reason you see a "success" is because its only looking for a 200 server response code which it will find sometimes since some people have repurposed these old sites into casino slot games for example. So they are useless for SEO and no links are being created or pinged.
It's like someone buying 50 seo tools script from Envato thats 10 years old and hosting these 50 scripts that dont do anything really it todays world. Im trying to build some of my own work arounds as I think there is some value in some of these methods still they just need to be updated.
I also wondered what "G" thought about this spamming of there services and tlds and it is Google approved since sites that are running these broken scripts that spam google are actually serving google ads so they are at least adsense approved.
Either way, I will find a way to make it useful somehow, some do index or have as @sickseo pointed out. Still have more testing to do and waiting on results.
Gotta say I like these conversations and to hear others points of view. Especially when it mostly theory, everyone's thoughts have some value to me
I got feed up with all the fake pinging scripts and seo tools you can find on the internet doing research and trying to collect useful stuff. I found maybe 1-3 pingers worth using or even live, and all these "pingers" "indexers" and "seo tools scripts" well the truth is they do NOTHING! Yeah, a lot of things are happening on the front end making it look like a lot is happening, but absolutely nothing is on backend. Its just creating links for sites that dont exist and Google will never know about. Most using sites that don't even exist anymore. And the ones that "work" well the only reason you see a "success" is because its only looking for a 200 server response code which it will find sometimes since some people have repurposed these old sites into casino slot games for example. So they are useless for SEO and no links are being created or pinged.
I would have thought eventually people would notice and stop using/suggesting/ blogging about them, though.
I read that shutting the FeedBurner down too, but I use it recently and saw it come up in in a backlink profile. Not sure if it was search console or another.
Not just the Google endpoint for this "ping" though now more of "buzz" word, I guess. They come in form of "social pings", "directory pings", "search pings" etc. More then a few sites still out there pinging away saying successful when they most certainly not. (maybe a meaningless 200 server response). Some sites even charging for this and suggesting to sell as services. Reality is they are full of none working sites/scripts and urls constructed that have not been working to add your Url's to those social media sites for example sites for over 10 years. People are using them and Google is paying them through adsense. That is just crazy to me!
That's an interesting concept. Don't think those google URLs will do anything unless you can get them indexed. But doing that with other redirects that index should do something for rankings and metric boosting.
Treat them like you would treat any other backlink, meaning build backlinks to your backlinks, use them with image URLs, they might not get indexed, but these are do follow links and sure would increase exposure and spider visits which in turn will boost the indexing probability of the site being promoted. I won't necessarily use them for Tier 1 links but tier 2 or 3 why not? Most importantly don't use them on their own, dip feed them, scatter them around, mix it up with your existing tier 2 / tier 3 links so these are seen more as co-citation links.
@royalmice Isn't that what some would call a redirect chain? I guess "stacking" if want to use a buzz word? Or "pushing" : D
I guess you could call them that, for me i just know it as stacking. This method is from nearly 10 years ago, and i have not used this method since that long. Back then had a little tool coded that create these in bulk - used it to increase site metrics with it back then
@royalmice Nice , I hear you there, I was one of those had to use/try every tool/method nut myself. I take nobody's word until I see undeniable results these days, though. I'm thinking these redirects if doing anything maybe metric boosting or maybe "indexing help" maybe all it does.
The way you showed it would certainly make it harder to ignore but not sure if those "redirect chain" types would cause some trouble or just be ignored. The juries still out for me and I'm still waiting on some results to test method further. If I find something worth mentioning, I'll let you guys know. Either way, interesting topic and thanks for all your input so far
@royalmice, now that I looked closer every line is a few redirects to GSA. At first I thought that was just one really long redirect, haha
Yes each line is a random redirect,
This is what my little tool looks like:
I have a master list of roughly 2000 redirect sites, consisting of mostly google properties, like google images, maps, etc. and YouTube -- That is the 1st option u see named Master list, (and in desperate need of an update). Next i specify the output location. Website URLs is basically the sites where the redirects point to, can load as many as you want in there. Output name is just names of the file i want it saved as.
The you part will create single redirects, and the bottom part is how I create the stacks or chains, i can specify up to 10 redirects but that will be bad, so i do max 5 which i know is ok with google. So, in the screenshot it will do random 2 - 5 redirects in a chain. max output is however many i want. Want a million lines of redirects- no problem.
It is definitely showing up in Google's own metrics, here is a partial view of my backlink domains the ones i pointed out are all from the redirects.
But whether this has a significant impact on rankings, I can't say with certainty, but even if it helps a little, then I am happy because I believe many drops will fill a bucket.
That's an interesting concept. Don't think those google urls will do anything unless you can get them indexed. But doing that with other redirects that index should do something for rankings and metric boosting.
You would not perhaps have a list lying around with redirects that do index, that you could share
Ten years ago as custom tool this must have been a "secret weapon" for you. These results are also very promising to see, thank-you. I spent 4 days creating mine but I want to see what indexes first and update database scripts accordingly before investing anymore time. I also dumbed it down not to hit every valid tld but what chatgpt think would not seem suspicious for english speaking (whatever that means). So I've manually removed some on purpose. Think there is 65ish for each service seen.
This is very interesting, so far I have this below but its creating and clicking and verifying the redirects which can then be exported to a file. I'm not sure what I will do if anything more. I do have some more services I can add, thought of even adding the pure 301's in a script. I have a few I have not added to front end either. Waiting on results to move forward plus got bunch of projects like this some marketing some personal.
Is that seo powersuite picking them up? Or Google? For the redirects in your image? I see you have bussiness.site which I just noticed on a project I lost that link as far as the service I used to check was concerned. I may possibly have a list of redirects, but I'm super picking, get rid of 95 percent so it would be smaller, Im more a quality over quantity guy Appreciate the share!
backlinkaddict the screenshot was from SEO Power suite - SEO Spy Glass - which is integrated with Google analytics and GSC. I like your way of clicking on the redirect link and, I think I will try doing it using CTR Booster.
I used to do some 301 redirects, then I changed to cloaked delayed by x number of days JavaScript redirects, but these days that only work on your own sites or Cloud sites u own, because most web 2.0 sites these days dont allow JavaScript in the html, and even cloaked iframe is having trouble, the idea was to wait till the page is indexed and then redirect the traffic somewhere else, so i sometimes set a 30 day redirect delay..
That's an interesting concept. Don't think those google urls will do anything unless you can get them indexed. But doing that with other redirects that index should do something for rankings and metric boosting.
You would not perhaps have a list lying around with redirects that do index, that you could share
I've made my little bot with zennoposter for this with a set of do follow links that do index. Only have 880 domains in there so far.
These all have the footprint "proxy.php?link=" so they are easy enough to find and scrape or you can use scrapebox to filter your existing site list for this footprint as well. All 100% do follow. These do index and most have been scraped from google only. Mixed DA as I don't check for that sort of stuff.
There are other footprints that you can use, but will take some work to identify them and check each one.
The bot randomly selects a redirect from the 880 sites in the list for each tier and makes a stack like this:
I can see this being a very good strategy for boosting links, as long as you can get the links indexed.
Will have to play some more with this, especially with the you tube redirects. Having a small list of just high DA sites should do something pretty amazing.
@royalmice Thanks and let me know how it works out. I was thinking about adding/setting something like "dwell time" after landing on the page after it idles out and then maybe option to select a random internal link on page and scroll action through some text or something similar. I wonder if this by accident can somehow increase your bounce rate if done wrong. I have considered a few things, but Id like to see some more results first from my end before going any deeper into it. I got 3-5 days on it already with programming and research. You cant see in image as its cut off, but next log message would been "successfully redirected to {targetUrl}" after landing on page if it did so successfully in the browser.
@sickseo That's interesting script there. I've made a few Zenno scripts myself, nice tool. I revisited BAS like you mentioned at some point, but I think I agree to learn another program like that is very time consuming. And after having some self built projects I have some prebuilt frameworks I can pop open and edit or change it to do what I want faster then learning a new software. Also, if something breaks you can edit it yourself since you made it, so that's a plus. I know there's a few youtube redirects having "event" "description" in the url but can't remember pattern of top of my head. Likely you may have them already.
Gotta say I'm liking this thread so far. The Magic happens when like-mind individuals share there thoughts and experiences on a given topic, especially ones that have gone as far as to create custom tested solutions and have that feedback to share. This is super helpful and also encouraging, so thanks!
That's an interesting concept. Don't think those google urls will do anything unless you can get them indexed. But doing that with other redirects that index should do something for rankings and metric boosting.
You would not perhaps have a list lying around with redirects that do index, that you could share
do u offer that tool or the list at least for sale on your site somewhere? or would u be willing to trade lists etc?
The tool above those words above is Zenno poster project maker bot. You have to built them yourself.
The other tool you will not find as is custom solution and not for sale. I cant speak for @royalmice maybe he gives some access for his members, but you would have to ask him.
That's an interesting concept. Don't think those google urls will do anything unless you can get them indexed. But doing that with other redirects that index should do something for rankings and metric boosting.
You would not perhaps have a list lying around with redirects that do index, that you could share
do u offer that tool or the list at least for sale on your site somewhere? or would u be willing to trade lists etc?
No sorry i am not selling that tool it is just something I had done for my own use.
That's an interesting concept. Don't think those google urls will do anything unless you can get them indexed. But doing that with other redirects that index should do something for rankings and metric boosting.
You would not perhaps have a list lying around with redirects that do index, that you could share
I've made my little bot with zennoposter for this with a set of do follow links that do index. Only have 880 domains in there so far.
These all have the footprint "proxy.php?link=" so they are easy enough to find and scrape or you can use scrapebox to filter your existing site list for this footprint as well. All 100% do follow. These do index and most have been scraped from google only. Mixed DA as I don't check for that sort of stuff.
There are other footprints that you can use, but will take some work to identify them and check each one.
The bot randomly selects a redirect from the 880 sites in the list for each tier and makes a stack like this:
I can see this being a very good strategy for boosting links, as long as you can get the links indexed.
Will have to play some more with this, especially with the you tube redirects. Having a small list of just high DA sites should do something pretty amazing.
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It's the debate about crawled vs indexed links impacting google rankings. Easy enough to get them crawled, but if they block the directory from being indexed, it will never get indexed.
There are other redirect links that do get indexed so those are the ones to use. Plenty of footprints for the other redirects in GSA.
Any thoughts about this... A script that not only creates the redirects, but visits all the redirect "pages" clicking on the url "registering" the redirect to the Url through G "services".
Any value in CTR stuff or basically "forcing" G to be aware of that link now, since the redirect actually happened via browser many times? I don't mean a redirect the was created and some tiers build to it and/or just crawled.
Maybe there is some indexing value?
I was starting to wonder if you were still around
I've done some recent testing with CTR and I have seen rankings move up for brand terms but not much movement on keyword terms. Likely due to the difference in competitiveness. CTR vs building indexed links - links have far more impact from what I've seen.
I've come across that strategy - using traffic to influence the indexing of links, but I've not seen any evidence of it being successful. The idea is that google wants to serve a result in the serps for every search query, so if it returns zero results it's failed as a search engine. You'd have to test it and perhaps after an "X" amount of searches, it will eventually index the url. But I've never seen it happen.
Using search indexing or CTR is tough though as to do it right you need unique profiles to avoid fingerprints from each search. Plus a shit ton of ip's to do the searches with. Expensive to do it properly. I've got my own CTR bot built with zenno for google and bing so far. Works very well and traffic shows up in GSC. But I'm only running it with 100 UK and 100 USA dedi proxies. To do it properly I'd need to use millions of residential ips or mobile proxies and that's not cheap.
site:https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=
hhmmmm... better shut my big mouth before this is marketed on BHW,
Like you say, I can see that site:https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q= does get indexed so I wonder why the 60 or so I sent to speedyIndex did not. . . Yet? Should I try to wrap them in anchors and through them on a Medium or Linkedin page?
Rankerx indexer works good. It's the only service I've used with consistently good results. Literally 100% indexing on wordpress urls. It's good for my wordpress projects. Works good on other links too, so I may do a test on some you tube links.
You can try medium or linkedin, but you'll still have to get those links indexed to effect the you tube links.
Example final destination is: https://forum.gsa-online.de/
Then here is a sample some stacks:
@royalmice Isn't that what some would call a redirect chain? I guess "stacking" if want to use a buzz word? Or "pushing"
I've been wondering about this too because I built a little tool that builds these redirects so if .cse the custom search engine was 1 engine it has 11 engines on 60ish tld's or so each and hits every live .tld that is valid an creates its own page. Then it visits the page and clicks on the "final destination" registering the link through G and landing on the page I'd want to promote. I'm still not sure exact usefulness if any since not one of them indexed yet, then again I sent 2000 blog comments to speedy and none of those have yet either. Its only been 1-2 days but up to this point I have had verified links indexing very quickly and a good amount from them. I hope the Yandex addition didnt affect the G indexing? Maybe I should try another way before I write this method off?
I got feed up with all the fake pinging scripts and seo tools you can find on the internet doing research and trying to collect useful stuff. I found maybe 1-3 pingers worth using or even live, and all these "pingers" "indexers" and "seo tools scripts" well the truth is they do NOTHING! Yeah, a lot of things are happening on the front end making it look like a lot is happening, but absolutely nothing is on backend. Its just creating links for sites that dont exist and Google will never know about. Most using sites that don't even exist anymore. And the ones that "work" well the only reason you see a "success" is because its only looking for a 200 server response code which it will find sometimes since some people have repurposed these old sites into casino slot games for example. So they are useless for SEO and no links are being created or pinged.
It's like someone buying 50 seo tools script from Envato thats 10 years old and hosting these 50 scripts that dont do anything really it todays world. Im trying to build some of my own work arounds as I think there is some value in some of these methods still they just need to be updated.
I also wondered what "G" thought about this spamming of there services and tlds and it is Google approved since sites that are running these broken scripts that spam google are actually serving google ads so they are at least adsense approved.
Either way, I will find a way to make it useful somehow, some do index or have as @sickseo pointed out. Still have more testing to do and waiting on results.
Gotta say I like these conversations and to hear others points of view. Especially when it mostly theory, everyone's thoughts have some value to me
I read that shutting the FeedBurner down too, but I use it recently and saw it come up in in a backlink profile. Not sure if it was search console or another.
Not just the Google endpoint for this "ping" though now more of "buzz" word, I guess. They come in form of "social pings", "directory pings", "search pings" etc. More then a few sites still out there pinging away saying successful when they most certainly not. (maybe a meaningless 200 server response). Some sites even charging for this and suggesting to sell as services. Reality is they are full of none working sites/scripts and urls constructed that have not been working to add your Url's to those social media sites for example sites for over 10 years. People are using them and Google is paying them through adsense. That is just crazy to me!
I won't necessarily use them for Tier 1 links but tier 2 or 3 why not? Most importantly don't use them on their own, dip feed them, scatter them around, mix it up with your existing tier 2 / tier 3 links so these are seen more as co-citation links.
This method is from nearly 10 years ago, and i have not used this method since that long. Back then had a little tool coded that create these in bulk - used it to increase site metrics with it back then
The way you showed it would certainly make it harder to ignore but not sure if those "redirect chain" types would cause some trouble or just be ignored. The juries still out for me and I'm still waiting on some results to test method further. If I find something worth mentioning, I'll let you guys know. Either way, interesting topic and thanks for all your input so far
This is what my little tool looks like:
I have a master list of roughly 2000 redirect sites, consisting of mostly google properties, like google images, maps, etc. and YouTube -- That is the 1st option u see named Master list, (and in desperate need of an update).
Next i specify the output location.
Website URLs is basically the sites where the redirects point to, can load as many as you want in there.
Output name is just names of the file i want it saved as.
The you part will create single redirects, and the bottom part is how I create the stacks or chains, i can specify up to 10 redirects but that will be bad, so i do max 5 which i know is ok with google. So, in the screenshot it will do random 2 - 5 redirects in a chain.
max output is however many i want. Want a million lines of redirects- no problem.
It is definitely showing up in Google's own metrics, here is a partial view of my backlink domains the ones i pointed out are all from the redirects.
But whether this has a significant impact on rankings, I can't say with certainty, but even if it helps a little, then I am happy because I believe many drops will fill a bucket.
Ten years ago as custom tool this must have been a "secret weapon" for you.
This is very interesting, so far I have this below but its creating and clicking and verifying the redirects which can then be exported to a file. I'm not sure what I will do if anything more. I do have some more services I can add, thought of even adding the pure 301's in a script. I have a few I have not added to front end either. Waiting on results to move forward plus got bunch of projects like this some marketing some personal.
Is that seo powersuite picking them up? Or Google? For the redirects in your image? I see you have bussiness.site which I just noticed on a project I lost that link as far as the service I used to check was concerned. I may possibly have a list of redirects, but I'm super picking, get rid of 95 percent so it would be smaller, Im more a quality over quantity guy
I like your way of clicking on the redirect link and, I think I will try doing it using CTR Booster.
I used to do some 301 redirects, then I changed to cloaked delayed by x number of days JavaScript redirects, but these days that only work on your own sites or Cloud sites u own, because most web 2.0 sites these days dont allow JavaScript in the html, and even cloaked iframe is having trouble, the idea was to wait till the page is indexed and then redirect the traffic somewhere else, so i sometimes set a 30 day redirect delay..
Try this list: Redirects.txt
These all have the footprint "proxy.php?link=" so they are easy enough to find and scrape or you can use scrapebox to filter your existing site list for this footprint as well. All 100% do follow. These do index and most have been scraped from google only. Mixed DA as I don't check for that sort of stuff.
There are other footprints that you can use, but will take some work to identify them and check each one.
The bot randomly selects a redirect from the 880 sites in the list for each tier and makes a stack like this:
https://genealogy-specialists.com/proxy.php?link=https://www.boxingforum24.com/proxy.php?link=https://www.thesaturnforums.com/proxy.php?link=https://www.sickseo.co.uk/
You can check the indexing status of each redirect with the following: https://www.google.com/search?q=site:https://www.thesaturnforums.com/proxy.php?link or use the site command. There are pages and pages of indexed urls.
I can see this being a very good strategy for boosting links, as long as you can get the links indexed.
Will have to play some more with this, especially with the you tube redirects. Having a small list of just high DA sites should do something pretty amazing.
@sickseo That's interesting script there. I've made a few Zenno scripts myself, nice tool. I revisited BAS like you mentioned at some point, but I think I agree to learn another program like that is very time consuming. And after having some self built projects I have some prebuilt frameworks I can pop open and edit or change it to do what I want faster then learning a new software. Also, if something breaks you can edit it yourself since you made it, so that's a plus. I know there's a few youtube redirects having "event" "description" in the url but can't remember pattern of top of my head. Likely you may have them already.
The tool above those words above is Zenno poster project maker bot. You have to built them yourself.
The other tool you will not find as is custom solution and not for sale. I cant speak for @royalmice maybe he gives some access for his members, but you would have to ask him.
Is there a proxy script running on all those domains - something like this GitHub - zounar/php-proxy: Simple PHP proxy script ?