Are you guys using PBN's?

BigGulpsHuhWelp

So, we obviously talk a lot about using PBN's on this forum, and I was wondering because they are getting harder to find, how are you all finding them? There is a way to find niche relevant expired domains using Scrapebox but for the most part it seems like people are using services like Ortiz, or a number of other ones like PBN Labs or something like that.

I have only used the PBN labs one, which honestly seems pretty good. You just need to be able to do research on the history of the site.

Anonymous

I rent my links, find it more economical.

BigGulpsHuhWelp

What happens if they take the link off?

Anonymous

You need to find reputable sellers and not some BHW guys, which surround your links with all kind of other shitty links with viagra,payday loans and other shit.

viking

I have my own PBN. I was burned in the past with what others have outlined here already....disappearing links, pages jammed with garbage, etc etc. Si I made the investment, mainly my time, to build out my own network over the course of a few years. I have 30 PBN sites now that are ranked nicely that I own and have no worries about. I am adding about 5-6 per year now as I don't have much time. I treat these sites as my money sites, i.e. build a high quality tier 1 to them. It works great. Yes, it is a pain and an investment. The reason why we all use SER, FCS, Rankwyx, etc. is that we are inherently lazy when it comes to seo and look for leverage with shortcuts. But this is well worth the effort imo. At least it was for me. In fact, I would say the PBN is the single most important part of my seo work.

In terms of finding url's to grab, I have stopped wasting my time and money. I build from scratch now. It takes a few months longer for the site to rank, but now that I have my PBN in place it doesn't matter.

Tim89

Yes I personally use PBNs, recently been expanding on the number of PBNs in my network, they work really really well, 1st and 2nd page rankings within a few days once links are built from my network from an untouched brand new domain.

Tier 2 links hitting these pbn posts using various tools also.

BigGulpsHuhWelp

A few days? What kind of niche

Anonymous

Why would you blast your PBNs, with shitty SER links?

BigGulpsHuhWelp

A valid question

Tim89

Did I say I "blast" my pbns? financial niches mostly. Yes a few days, sites that are literally indexed, new domains, appearing on page 2 for many keywords within a week, I just did it to another site of mine a few days ago, this stuff is quite easy in all fairness, you just need good pbn domains.

I don't blast my pbn posts, I grow lots of mini public blog networks to tier them to my private blog posts, then using various tools I build tier 3's / 4's.

The thing I would like to point out here is that a few PBN links pointing to a site goes a long way, then you just tier these links to increase your rankings further.

Anonymous

Building any kind of links from SER to good quality PBN is waste of time. You get good PBN which got quality backlinks and then you start powering it with SER junk, unless your PBNs got shitty links and not that powerful, I would never blast my cream of PBNs with this.

BigGulpsHuhWelp

It's still a risk drip feeding SER links directly to a pbn unless you writing them yourself.

Tim89

These are two main keywords I'm targeting with a brand new site which was indexed on the 6-7th of this month, I built around 50 pbn links which I have drip fed into EI for 14 days, the results speak for themselves, you can see how long the rank shifts took in these screenshots, I've done nothing else to it.




both keywords are extremely difficult to rank for and yield around £20,000 per month commissions, not bad for a weeks wait on a brand new site.

Tim89

This is another fairly new site, it's a couple months old but a much bigger project, going for hundreds of longtails, still within the financial niche, revenue for this site will be huge once all keywords are on 1st page.

main keywords;


longtail keywords;



I have not been so aggressive with my pbn links on this site of yet but I will, once all my main keywords are on pages 2 or 3, my previous post showing the ranking increases within a week was simply for me to see the strength of my pbn, this site above has had a mixture of link building methods done to it so far.

I will do another site and just give it all i have in one go soon, to see the impact but I'm in no rush to do this right now, I'm moreso testing the waters at the moment as my PBN is still fairly new and I'm still building it.

Anonymous

That is all nice, but yet you didn't answer why would you use SER on this PBNs? If PBNs that you use as your tier 1 and blast them with SER, I assume that this PBNs of yours are not something good but rather low to medium quality of backlink profile, so in that case you blast them with SER which is fine if that is the case, If you have PBNs that are epic quality that got great backlink profile from good sources and authority such as CNN,Microsoft etc It would be really madness to ruin this PBN with SER links even best of contextual don't you think?

Tim89

Hi @Anonymous, you still question why I blast my pbns with SER links? I haven't once said I blast them, Lol.

Yes, It would be complete madness to spam pure garbage at a PBN link, I agree but I don't spam garbage at them.

Can you imagine, you spend £££££ on a PBN and then you purchase a list from here and spam the %^$4$£ out of it, Lol, that would be funny, there are additional link sources that increase the power of your pbns other than SER. 

just to add;

you could get away with it, using SER as tier 2 links that point to your uber pbn posts, not a problem at all.. it's exactly the same as using SER to build tier 1 links directly to your moneysite, if you're willing to take that chance of possibly tanking your own moneysite, then I'm sure you're the type of person who would happily take the risk of spamming a good quality pbn too.

Anonymous

Yeah, that makes sense. Personally, I never used SER as tier 1 pointing to money site, but rather 301 redirect and Web 2.0, will try contextual do follow PBN post on some weak properties as experiment. btw do you scrape expired domains or do you use auctions or buy from vendors your PBNs?

shaun

Tim89 Where are you aiming your PBN links on the projects targeting lots of long tails? I am guessing you have loads of pages for that project? Do you just hit the home page and go for an increase in domain power over all pages on the domain or do you actually hit each page with PBN links?

Tim89

The long tails are ranked naturally with just the authority the PBN links are giving.

This is how Amazon and Wiki rank for many long tails, the authority the site holds allows them to rank for anything about that niche.. If you're ranking a site selling "Hats", your PBN anchors should be "Hat","Hats" and naked urls etc etc, but your site will also rank for "blue hats" "black hats" etc, Google are collecting information not only for the anchors you're using to link to your site but also the relevance of your site and it will naturally put you in a certain niche category within their library of sites, once google has enough information about your site (scraped your content, archived it, cached it, has found some internal links with anchors) it will begin to build a site profile of your site, as time goes on, your profile gets stronger and more relevant to that niche, therefore naturally will increase your ranks for every keyword your targeting.

To continue to boost the rankings of your longtails and obviously main keywords, you'll be wanting to boost the overall authority of your site, I've mentioned this before but it's more and more important now, even when using exact match terms for your anchors, will only boost that keyword rank so much but it will stop increasing until you start obtaining better quality links.

It's a very interesting formula when you think about it, instead of looking and judging a site by the anchor texts, it records all this data and compares the overall site authority + keywords + relevance to determine the over all ranking of your terms.

The old strategy would have been to build all your links in ratios, for example, 40% Branded / 25% long tails / 10% main keywords / 25% generics and then fortify your anchor terms by build tier 2 and 3 links, primarily at your money terms/long tails, this is how your keywords increased in rank right? I'm not saying this doesn't still work, but what I am saying is that now, the authority of the site is also taking into account for the ranking of your terms you are wanting to rank for (building em links for).

shaun

Tim89

So where are you pointing your actual PBN links? To the internal pages or to the root of the domain?

Tim89

depending on how you have structured your site, it also depends on what page you're wanting to rank, if it's an inner page you want to rank, then you would want to link to that inner page, if the homepage is where your offer is placed, then you'd want to be primarily ranking that page, so you'd link back to your homepage.

coneh34d

FYI - I am selling 60 PR3+ domains for PBN's all with good MOZ and Majestic metrics. PM me if interested.

Anonymous

@coneh34d Metrics doesn't mean a shit, backlink profile is everything that shows if domain is valuable or not.

shaun

Tim89 The plan is to rank many pages of the site, each for long tails.

I think web 2.0s backed by SER are probably the way to go as it will launch with over 100 pages and have plans to scale it way up so PBN linking to each page is not cost effective.

Tim89

authority links hitting your homepage will most definitely help your inner pages rank.

shaun

@tim89 Thanks for the advice, I have ranked similar sites to this one in the past with heavy SER use but lost them in the last set of Google updates so looking for new methods, I think I will give a few authority links to the home page a try and see how it goes .

coneh34d

Update - All PBN Domains sold. Sorry

rodol

Hey @Tim89 where you buy your pbns domain?

BigGulpsHuhWelp

@rodol, 

Try using the PBN Labs tool, it helps you find/buy them

Anonymous

@rodol Project Lazarus is good as well and they offer 1 time fee too.

coneh34d

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