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Anyone else find their rankings drop aobut 50 places after 1 month on new sites?

PeterParkerPeterParker
edited January 2014 in GSA Search Engine Ranker
I used to think it was cos of some penalty but because it happens so much like clockwork no matter what technique i used I wondered if its instead something to do with the 'new site bonus' which 'wears off' after a month or so. Maybe total bullshit on my part if no1 else experiences the same then it probably is bullshit on my part which is why i asked if otehrs experiences similar. I will have quite a few on position 10 or 9 and alot on second and then right when the clock strikes 28 days everything slammed back to position 50s. Ofc it could be some other reason like that G had time to add up my links and they are deemed unworthy so some kind of penalty after all tho not enough to totally sandbox me just a stern telling off.

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  • JudderManJudderMan UK
    I don't but there is/was a notion of the 'honeymoon' period for new sites. I find that solid tier linking gives the backlinks more weight and that's what keeps new sites ranking well. I do find after month 2-3 that it's better but I regularly rank new sites quickly but I usually don't go for mega hard keywords ie. local SEO. Maybe don't just rely on backlinks alone, get some social stuff going on? (personally I still haven't seen any difference between having social links and not but too many other people say it's a good thing - don't discount G+ if that's the case).
  • vifavifa
    edited January 2014
    Don't forget to throw in some links with high quality. High PA, DA and PR. Works well for me and is a must if you want to rank more competitive keywords.

    And as @JudderMan writes, it is not wrong with a bit of social links as well. Test driprevolution.com they're good.

  • namdasnamdas
    -50 is typically a manual penalty. Someone has reviewed your site or your backlinks and not liked what they have seen. It could be related to the quality of your design or content as much as your links. Also some niches are subject to a lot more manual review than others.
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    edited January 2014
    @peterparker - I have seen a similar thing before.

    How exactly are you building links to the sites? Lots of non-contextuals at high velocity for a prolonged period of time?

    Sounds like you keep tripping filters, but as said, could also be the "honeymoon Period" - Hard to say really, without knowing exactly what you're doing.

  • PeterParkerPeterParker
    edited January 2014
    all contextuals, but high velocity. gsa runing 24/7 10k-30k verified a day. This has happened both when i have used tiers and when i havent so must be an issue with top level. i looked at my main site ive been working on for 4 months or more now and the same happened to that one ive just kept blasting. its like getting to near the finsih line and G decided, no no that would be too easy and takes you back for some more gruelling punishment.
  • JudderManJudderMan UK
    Are you running global lists? Maybe on your new sites there is a pattern to your link building and/or your global list might need checking for bad sites. Maybe tighten up your filters? As 2Take2 said, there are many variables.
  • 2Take22Take2 UK
    10 -30k contextuals per day?  Wow.

    There are exceptions (I noticed a SAPE site ranking for "payday loans" the other day, which appeared to have been blasting 1k contextuals per day for about 3 months in order to rank), but from my experience blasting lots of links at a site for a prolonged period of time will most likely get you sandboxed or seriously slapped (and what you're saying about it happening after a month seems to tie in with what I've seen in the past).

    It's almost like the Google algo is a bubble - you can keep spamming and spamming, then all of a sudden it will pop. How much you can get away with and the effect that it will have on your rankings in the SERPs, obviously depends on multiple other factors though.


  • PeterParkerPeterParker
    ye but when i built less i didnt rank eitehr, so fucked either way. i dont think its that tho cos ive only been pushing those numbers in the past month or so since i learned how to use gsa properly and ive noticed this phonemena for more than a year now. hmm you might be right aobut the velocity thing tho actually since i had one wehre i was doing only web 2s not too many but i forgot whether that one did the same. guess ill try a new site with keeping the velocity down. but i wasnt ranking when i only did a few links so effectively i end up in the same place or worse...not ranking! maybe ill try few links up top and mass underneath. i figured since they were contextual mass wouldnt matter but maybe not.
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    @peterparker - I notice stuff like that more when the on-page SEO is not that good.

    Like trying to optimise for too many keywords, or a site where the client won't allow changes to the on-site stuff.

    Overall, the tighter the on-page SEO the less jumping and the better rankings stick, have you looked at that side of things?
  • PeterParkerPeterParker
    Hmm, well I dont know what constitutes good these days, guess ill have to look at that dreaded thread :D. I have good content that i paid for, and just the kw a few times in the articles and H1 and 2 or so not all 3 i dont think didnt wanna overdo it. thats about it. just 8 articles like that same setup.
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    @peterparker - Doesn't sound like that's the problem. But you can test it. Take 1 of the url's that are affected and optimise it more, take another and optimise it less. Wait a month and compare results.
  • coneh34dconeh34d
    edited January 2014
    Just shoot over to Moz and plug the pages in their grader http://moz.com/tools/onpage-grader
  • goonergooner SERLists.com
    It's a good idea but i'd be a bit wary of any trusting any SEO grading system implicitly. I find what should get best results doesn't always in reality.
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