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[DISCUSSION] How long do you use SER to build backlinks for a site?

KayKayKayKay
edited April 2013 in Need Help
How long do you use SER for a project? Do you stop after a certain amount of created backlinks and don't rank the site anymore ?
Would be great to know some experieces. btw got now 70 Lpm (v5.51) my new record ;) thx to all great tips on this board

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  • DavidA2DavidA2
    This is a good question. To add to it, I would also like to know how long (average) you run projects until you see some good results (page 1 of SERPS)? I have been running a few projects (tier1 & tier2 with additional "kitchen sink" links to both tiers as well) for a little over a month and am not really seeing too much results so far. I have a few terms that are on page 2.

    Congrats on the LpM! I have gotten up to 89Lpm (for a whole day). Trying to break the 100 mark! The past few days I am doing over 100 most of the day, but it tails off at the end of the day when a lot of my projects are paused and SER starts verifying links. But I am happy! (Yesterday - 127K submits, 17K verified)
  • eliquideliquid
    I've been doing this for about 17 years now ( started building sites in 96 ) and I think it comes down to a few things:

    1. The niche your in

    2. The authority of the site your building links to ( some sites only need a few links to rank a KW, some need a couple hundred )

    3. The quality of the links your building to your site.

    Its like asking how long is a piece of string. I play in various niches and have various sites of different authority and each one of the niches ( even SERPs at the KW level ) is different in what it takes to rank and each site and its authority within just that SERP/niche will also effect that as well.
  • DavidA2DavidA2
    @eliquid - While what you provided is "accurate", it does not really answer the question...which is about using SER for ranking your sites. Your comment is broad and provides no actionable content. If you have specific examples of sites you have or have not been able to rank using SER, we would like to hear about them. And while I admire the fact that you have been doing this for 17 years, most of what you have learned (and practiced) during this time as it relates to SEO is no longer valid.

    We are trying to figure out what works now...and more specifically...what works with SER now.
  • eliquideliquid
    edited April 2013
    DavidA2 -

    Not sure what your getting at, what it takes to rank "online payday loans" in the UK is totally different then what it takes to rank "Kansas Plumbers" in the US.

    Your strategy and methods should reflect your niche/SERP. You guys are acting like everything is a nail and a hammer is the only answer.

    As far as my 17 years and what I learned and practiced is no longer "valid", I welcome you to hit Wickedfire and look up my BST called SpamWow there and how I ranked a site for Online Payday Loans within a couple weeks of bringing a site online and outted it right on the forum.

    If you don't know the niche your in and your competition, your not going to rank. Even if you do happen to rank treating everything as a nail, you more then likely wont be ranked for long. Knowing what works in your SERP/Niche is key to ranking. Google tells and shows you everything you need to rank ( per SERP )
  • DavidA2DavidA2
    @eliquid - And apparently you are here to try to impress people with what you know and have done. You ignored the fact that I admitted what you said was true, yet again you failed to answer or even acknowledge the question of this thread. Which is...

    Have you been able to use GSA SER to rank for a niche? And if so, how did you use it, and how long did it take.

    You have given two rambling answers that have not once mentioned the use of SER for your niches or anyone else's. For that matter, they did not even mention SER at all.

    This forum is about the use of SER. If you want to expound on general SEO practices, maybe another forum would be more appropriate.

    Or, if you would like, we would love to hear how you are using SER to rank for niches that you are in.
  • eliquideliquid
    edited April 2013
    DavidA2 -

    Not sure why you feel threaten, but the question is "How long do you use SER to build backlinks for a site?" which is like asking "How long is a piece of string?" 

    Everyone will have a different answer and the answer comes down to what niche you are in and what SERP are you in to determine the right answer for the poster. If I was to lay out how I use GSA SER to rank for a payday loan site in the UK, it will not be the right answer the poster will want if they are trying to rank for Kansas plumbers in the USA. As much as everyone wants a perfect tier solution ( which Ron and Ozz were great to give ) or a perfect push button setup of Chinese links ( shownews.asp ) and wiki incontent links, the true answer is there is no right way to do it unless you examine your niche/serp.

    My answer was valid, but I see you have came in and for some reason decided to pick apart the answer I gave, but in turn offered no advice yourself. Maybe those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones? Not only that, you for some reason felt threaten that I even mentioned how long I have been doing stuff online for w/e reason AND then assume that what I learned and have done is no longer valid ( where the hell did you make that assumption, lol ). I assure you, I have no reason to impress anyone here. I decided to help the OP and let them see how they framed the question might not get them the answer they are looking for.

    Again, knowing what niche or serp you are in will determine how you use GSA SER or any tool. Any answer that is giving to the OP will not do the OP any good, since every SERP is different. My method of using GSA ( with or without Kontent Machine as a content tool ) backed up with links from Ultimate demon or not, will actually help the OP in knowing what they should be doing in their niche.

    I know the forum is about GSA SER, thats why we are all here. I would much rather give a correct answer to the OP no matter if the solution is SER or not, then provide a false sense of what you should be doing with SER without even knowing the SERP they are in, which is what you seem to be pressing on. Giving a correct answer, no matter the solution, is the correct answer to give.

    Since you seem to know the right answer ( because you have picked apart mine, so you must know something, right? ) I will let you lay out the correct answer to the OP, then follow up with my method which will be dependent per niche I am in.

    I await your generalized process sir.
  • MitchMitch

  • MitchMitch
    edited April 2013
    @DavidA2 I think we should all remember that anyone that contributes an
    answer here does so because they are trying to help and should be thanked rather than castigated for doing so. Sounds like you got
    out of the bed the wrong side today, not your usual helpful approach. :)

    @eliquid
    I fully understand the point you are making and yes some of us on the
    forum are probably guilty of looking for a system or blueprint that will
    do it all for us. But, those that have been in SEO for any time realise
    as you pointed out that it always depends. Depends on your target site,
    your niche, etc.

    For me having a system/blueprint then helps us better understand how to
    customize that to cover different niches, target sites etc. Its like having a manual to refer to but not religiously follow. It helps you better understand the logic behind the methods.

    I've already taken away know your niche. Would you keep running with GSA SER until you hit page one? Then move into a top up mode or just keep running as was?

    Anything else you can add would only help.

    Thanks!
  • davbeldavbel UK
    I've got to agree with @eliquid, it really does depend on the site and the niche. 

    There's no right or wrong answer.  You'll need to test and see what works for you when you get your site there.

    e.g.
    I have one site with 30+ terms ranking either 1st or 2nd and I do nothing other than add new content.  Why?  It's an easy niche to rank in as not many ppl know how to monetise the niche effectively and due to the nature of the site, it gets lots of likes, g+s, tweets etc

    I have another site in a "How To" niche that I constantly build links to, but because of how competitive the niche is, I haven't yet been able to rank it higher than 3rd.

    Fantastic as the guides from @ron, @ozz and others are, you've got to use them as an outline or a starting point and then develop your own strategies based on your niche and your site.
  • doubleupdoubleup
    Build links until it ranks
  • DavidA2DavidA2
    @eliquid - My apologies if I came across abrasive (which it looks like I did). That was not my intention. Maybe, like Mitch said, I "got up on the wrong side of the bed". If I did, I probably hit my head on the wall (ha!)...that could have caused it!

    I am not saying I have the answers. Indeed, in my first post, I just added to the question that the OP posted.

    I completely understand the necessity to do your homework and to understand your niche before building a site and just throwing a bunch of links at it. But, that does mean that there is NO value in seeing what has worked (or not worked) by doing certain things. Indeed, that is one way we learn the most - trial & error...failure & success.

    While I can't speak for @KayKay, my purpose for being involved in this thread was to hear from people that have had success (or failures) from using SER. Unfortunately, it does not look like anyone is going to do that.

    Again, my apologies to @eliquid for being argumentative. As @Mitch noted, that is not my usual "modus operandi". I am here to learn how to best use SER and I try to pass on some of what I have learned in case it might help someone else. I did not mean to belittle your "experience". What I was saying was that what worked 17 years ago (or even 2) may not work now.

    I agree with you that SER is a tool, but it helps to know how to use the tool. If I want to build a building, I have to do a lot of study and "work" before I even start building (just like understanding your niche and building a website). But when it comes time to dig the foundation, I need to know how to operate a backhoe. SER is the backhoe...

    If you, or anyone, have some experience you can share on how you used SER to help rank a website (or even if anyone used it in certain ways that caused "problems, that would be beneficial as well). And, of course, it would help to know how difficult a niche it is.
  • KayKayKayKay
    I just started the thread to get whats this thread now... a nice discussion about a topic that hasn't been talked about that much and i thought it would be good to hear some experiences about how long you use SER in general to rank a site (until you get ranked or do you go on...).The answers tell us ...it seems to be clear there is no magic value and all depends on the niche.
  • ronron SERLists.com

    You have to maintain link building even when you get to the top. *Each day there will be link-loss*.

    As soon as you start a negative deceleration of total links aimed at the website, you will lose your ranking. At least for anything competitive.

    When you get to the top, you see if your most recent steady diet of spam will keep you there. If you start to slide, then you need to accelerate your link building to a new higher plateau - and keep it there.

    So to sum it up: Whatever level of linkbuilding keeps you at the top is the correct answer.

  • KayKayKayKay
    i found a nice comment for this topic over here from @eLeSlash https://forum.gsa-online.de/discussion/comment/23682#Comment_23682
  • AlexRAlexR Cape Town
    @eliquid - thanks for taking time write a decent response. The gist is that each niche differs is what I read quite clearly. Sent you a PM. 
  • spunko2010spunko2010 Isle of Man
    Interesting point... If/when you get to position 1 do you edge off at that point? Keep a lower number of verifieds? Or stop?
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