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  • I dont believe speaking about helpful services to monitor your GSA projects is diverting from "why I dont see any benefit from GSA" topic.

    Maybe very helpful not to table discussion, especially for newbies who will see this is future.

    Some knowledgable people have contributed, already.

    Some newbies have also said its been helpful.

    These types of dicussions is how forum was once full of and I would love to see this again :)

    Not arguments, but "helpful debates" or I do it this way and you do it that way but we can see how both can be put together for this "new" way or similar thinking. This is how I always got my best "ahaa moments" thinking outside the box in the past.

    Like-minded individuals sharing tips and tricks to help each other out like this is very valuable to some, even the expert at times.

    That being said, there is a lot of softwares and threads here which can be hard to find the "right place" for a post/question.

    Also, @Zeto how are you building links? Are they low quality links, are they being placed, verified and indexed.

    Here is example or wordpress blog comments held in moderation on a site. These will never become verified and provide no value to your project so no use posting like this.



    1. Promoting afterwest.com 

    2. Promoting lean-keto-gummies

    3. Promoting mtmetlife.com/ which is keto gummies again but stealthier

    4. Promoting healthmassive.com which is same shit some weight loss supplement

    5. Promoting tadalafilbeds.com  beds you ask, wow must be a real site, not! Just a generic viagra name and beds thrown into a domain name to trick people into approving it since viagrabeds would be dead giveaway. This is even stealthier.

    But no, none of these will be approved. Marked as spam and deleted!

    So all resources used were wasted for whomever did this, in this example.

    This example would provide no benefit to your link building campaign and cost resources. 
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  • Can you please show the number of backlinks and DR rating of your site ? And the website age ?
    Sure.


    WOW! Good Starting. But this result generated in how much time?  and my problem I am not getting good results. Can anyone please tell me Am I required to use proxies ??? Because currently I am using free proxies. 
  • organiccastleorganiccastle Germany
    edited February 7
    WOW! Good Starting. But this result generated in how much time?  and my problem I am not getting good results. Can anyone please tell me Am I required to use proxies ??? Because currently I am using free proxies. 
    The SER project was set up in spring 2023. I don't have the ahrefs values of then as comparison as I am not looking at these.

    1) Verify your links regularly. This way you are not building links on higher tiers which point to lost links on lower tiers.
    2) Check the links built are indexed. If not indexed, there won't be an impact on rankings.
    3) Private proxies will improve your submission and approval rates.

    Ref 2): I could just win a new customer these days who had spend a decent amount of money for backlinks ($50-100/ea.). These links were shown in ahrefs but he did not see any improvements in rankings and traffic lol. Some initial checks showed that the links he bought were either total crap (press releases on sites with no traffic) or not indexed at all (22 out of 123 indexed). I'll now tackle these first to bring him some quick results and satisfaction.

    Ref 3): Stable and unbanned proxies are important for the success of your campaign. I am even going one step further and only use proxies of a specific region for submission. The reason for this is trust on manual approvals. Let's say I want to build links on a German or a Swiss site but using proxies from all over the world. The site admin will most likely pay attention to the region when reviewing the link request, be in doubt and reject. The same applies to names and emails. It is unlikely that a "Jonathan R. Palmer" with a mail.ru email address writes articles about dog training in a Swiss alps village (using ChatGPT German content which is different from Swiss German). By being consistent, you can improve your chances for link approval a lot.
  • edited February 12
    I think you should combine multiple software tools, such as RankerX, to create natural backlinks for tier 1. I've been following this guy's intructions: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/learn-how-to-use-rankerx-gsa-scrapebox-to-get-the-best-results.1183374/ and combining it with GSA. I've been using this method for several years now and have always achieved amazing results.
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  • herrybach said:
    I think you should combine multiple software tools, such as RankerX, to create natural backlinks for tier 1. I've been following this guy's iíntructions: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/learn-how-to-use-rankerx-gsa-scrapebox-to-get-the-best-results.1183374/ and combining it with GSA. I've been using this method for several years now and have always achieved amazing results.
    Fully agree with you. Be it RankerX, bought guest posts or XRumer profiles and posts (just upgraded to '23).
  • I agree, good to venture out and increase referring domains not backlinks from variety of other sources, then tier with your SER DB.
  • iherbsiherbs worldwide
    I agree, good to venture out and increase referring domains not backlinks from variety of other sources, then tier with your SER DB.
    I have been using only my own pbns and gsa ser tiered...do you think its worth to try ranker x or xrummer...i am getting decent results along with gsa ser. Create few autoblogs as tier one and then build backlinks with gsa ser..
  • iherbs said:
    I agree, good to venture out and increase referring domains not backlinks from variety of other sources, then tier with your SER DB.
    I have been using only my own pbns and gsa ser tiered...do you think its worth to try ranker x or xrummer...i am getting decent results along with gsa ser. Create few autoblogs as tier one and then build backlinks with gsa ser..

    Having upgraded to Xrumer23 earlier this month and created thousands of forum profiles since then and a few hundred forum posts just this week, it is showing great results. Perfect to power up a PBN or a couple of expired domains with 301s redirects to your money site. The GPT prompts out of the box need to be adapted to your needs & niche but links built are high DA, deliver direct traffic and get indexed - no comparison to funny new Web2.0-sites stuff.
  • iherbs if I had to choose between to 2 I'd get Xrummer, though learning curve will be like SER probably longer. Likely, faster if your already an SER/Scrapebox user.

    It's been upgraded recently too! From referral traffic standpoint and expertise it can be interesting.

    You can own Xrummer, with Xevil, Hrefer, and SocPlugin for the price of few months of RankerX.

    Though, there is a 10 monthly fee after year, while using only, so if take break don't have to pay the 10 bucks/m.

    Likely worth it if you get Xevil6 with it as you'll need to pay a service for captcha solves otheriwse.

    Maybe, use RankerX here and there if working good recently for extra properties to power up?

    It's really up to you, budget, needs, time willing to invest etc. . .


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  • rastarrrastarr Thailand
    Zeto said:
    I've been using this program for a year now. Over the course of this year, I have become well versed in all the functions and settings.
    I use 1000 good proxies, GSA captcha breaker, Xevil. Paid link indexers.
    I probably have the largest database of sites, since I bought all the databases that are sold, and also ran my database of several Billions of links through the program.


    Now the question! What am I doing wrong???

    1) I take an optimized website, build normal natural links to it through link exchanges and crowdmarketing.
    2) through the GSA, there are another 5,000 article links to these hundred natural links. not some kind of spam, but normal articles written by Open AI (and spin them)
    3) I send all these articles to paid inspectors.

    all these stages are carried out systematically for several months in a row

    and the result is zero!
    Thanks for your post.
    I'm in much the same situation as you
    I just can't seem to get the needle to move up on 2 well-established dating sites.
    2 million backlinks on each with a DA of 60 (I know Google doesn't use DA)

    My business partner has repeatedly asked why bother with all the effort, expense and resources with creating these backlinks and increasing DA when Google seemingly takes no notice of our sites.

    I'm now beginning to wonder myself actually. It's just frustrating at this point.
  • rastarr said:
    Zeto said:
    I've been using this program for a year now. Over the course of this year, I have become well versed in all the functions and settings.
    I use 1000 good proxies, GSA captcha breaker, Xevil. Paid link indexers.
    I probably have the largest database of sites, since I bought all the databases that are sold, and also ran my database of several Billions of links through the program.


    Now the question! What am I doing wrong???

    1) I take an optimized website, build normal natural links to it through link exchanges and crowdmarketing.
    2) through the GSA, there are another 5,000 article links to these hundred natural links. not some kind of spam, but normal articles written by Open AI (and spin them)
    3) I send all these articles to paid inspectors.

    all these stages are carried out systematically for several months in a row

    and the result is zero!
    Thanks for your post.
    I'm in much the same situation as you
    I just can't seem to get the needle to move up on 2 well-established dating sites.
    2 million backlinks on each with a DA of 60 (I know Google doesn't use DA)

    My business partner has repeatedly asked why bother with all the effort, expense and resources with creating these backlinks and increasing DA when Google seemingly takes no notice of our sites.

    I'm now beginning to wonder myself actually. It's just frustrating at this point.
    The niche you have choosen matters...not every niche works with GSA or even link building google has RRF thats why you need to rank single websote and oncemit done get that niche as your workin niche and duplicate the process. 

    For me i cant think anything without gsa and other automation tools and. I am going to buy one more copy of gsa today for my new projects. Everything depends on the niche you are working
  • I dont believe speaking about helpful services to monitor your GSA projects is diverting from "why I dont see any benefit from GSA" topic.

    Maybe very helpful not to table discussion, especially for newbies who will see this is future.

    Some knowledgable people have contributed, already.

    Some newbies have also said its been helpful.

    These types of dicussions is how forum was once full of and I would love to see this again :)

    Not arguments, but "helpful debates" or I do it this way and you do it that way but we can see how both can be put together for this "new" way or similar thinking. This is how I always got my best "ahaa moments" thinking outside the box in the past.

    Like-minded individuals sharing tips and tricks to help each other out like this is very valuable to some, even the expert at times.

    That being said, there is a lot of softwares and threads here which can be hard to find the "right place" for a post/question.

    Also, @Zeto how are you building links? Are they low quality links, are they being placed, verified and indexed.

    Here is example or wordpress blog comments held in moderation on a site. These will never become verified and provide no value to your project so no use posting like this.



    1. Promoting afterwest.com 

    2. Promoting lean-keto-gummies

    3. Promoting mtmetlife.com/ which is keto gummies again but stealthier

    4. Promoting healthmassive.com which is same shit some weight loss supplement

    5. Promoting tadalafilbeds.com  beds you ask, wow must be a real site, not! Just a generic viagra name and beds thrown into a domain name to trick people into approving it since viagrabeds would be dead giveaway. This is even stealthier.

    But no, none of these will be approved. Marked as spam and deleted!

    So all resources used were wasted for whomever did this, in this example.

    This example would provide no benefit to your link building campaign and cost resources. 
    Amen
  • Just curious,

    To be clear, I'm focused on Google.com using USA proxies and some Europe mostly when SER is used. And use related sites that are chosen for campaigns. Blasting was never really my thing... Results are.

    rastarr are you solely focused on amount off links built with GSA and generic rating for domain of those links?

    I would assume most of those links are doing much for rankings.

    Dating is tough, like gambling and I'm assuming people are using those types of sites only if they have an app today or some social media and are trusted. There's enough trusted dating sites here to fill the first 3 pages that are pretty well aged over here as well as heavily buying paid ads.

    Unless your pockets run very very deep and you have some very old domains and network maybe, dating, gambling, dog training etc are not great options?

    Been using SER only for tiers 85 of percent of time only, even before 2012 found an old Ultimate Demon Video and tutorial I had made from 2012 an was teaching and using SER after first few tiers back then.

    I'm not sure what kind if BS people started to believe during Coronavirus and those make a million dollar a day courses doing nothing on you-tube. 

    1. Throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks is not a strategy.

    2. Spamming people will emails in certain ways is not a "business" and its illegal.

    Just try getting an evaluation on a business with no MRR. (Monthly Recurring Revenue)

    Not that it's not possible if done right, I watched a friend make a few million in a 3 months with recurring and get 500 then 1000 a month to lease any car he wanted with affiliate offer, but he started a small facebook group capped at 5000 and provided value. Offered the best bonus for people who used his link to sign up for software after he taught them how to use it given them everything they needed to win.

    Anyways back to what your doing. I noticed some people saying social media was not part of there strategy here. I'm not sure what happened with that thinking either, even 10 years ago if you were not on social media or even sharing your stuff there and getting massive amounts of links it dead giveaway your site is spam.

    Google is not getting dumber by any means. Things might make it harder for them but exploiting loopholes every now and again not great long term strategy either.

    Just think about what this would look like for a business in the real world for a minute. . . .

    You run into this business call it a Pizza Restaurant, and it says voted #1 by XYZ and and its got all these self claimed 5 star reviews. But you search for it online and it does not have any social media presence or even a Google business profile. Suuuuper sketch!

    Same thing in search, if it's obvious for a human to see it in real life then an algorythm can spot that in a second.

    I hear people talking about getting stuck in sandbox still? After many many domains that have been set up, ive seen everyone of them rank for there brand name sometimes instantly or within a very short time frame.

    Maybe, this method can give some credit to that and help?

    Been doing it for many years...

    1. Built a site from a new domain or related and built zero automation links at it to start.

    2. Build out a few service pages and or blog posts after finding some reasonable keywords.

    3. Get the main social media profile accounts and set them to business. Verify them and add your link and your pages and posts. Be sure to set featured image so its grabbing a nice image not your logo every time or a link no one will see. Add proper hashtags to the posts/pages for exposure.

    4. Get that stuff indexed and be sure to see some referral traffic has at least started to trickle in.

    5. A site with no traffic and a bunch of links is also dead give away its spam site.

    6. Find sites that are high quality that allow you to add all your social profile to each. I mean like all of them 10 minimum. And all to each one. There are many of these sites and they will allow you to add the current popular social profiles.

    7. Get these indexed, now you have a network of popular sites linked together pointing at your domain as well as some referral traffic if you did the posts correctly and added/shared them in the right places.

    8. Now maybe start to use automation as part of the SEO strategy but def not all of it.

    Some of this stuff has to be done whether you pay a VA or do it yourself, I do it think avoiding it is option

    Are you doing any of this or just blasting away with SER running wide open on a server not actually knowing what it's doing or where its posting?













  • Just refound this, probably why I've never seen sandbox. . . May not be obvious to some
  • sickseosickseo London,UK
    Unfortunately SEO is not just about building tiered links and expecting to rank. You've got things like link loss, indexing, authority of link sources, anchor ratios as well as changing on page seo factors that will effect the results you see. The niche and competitiveness of the keywords will of course play a major role too.

    On top of that you've also got Google changing their algorithm more often than ever where they hand pick who they want to boost in rankings such as recent updates giving sites such as Reddit and quora extra boosts in rankings.

    In some niches, all I'm seeing ranking on page 1 are social media sites like twitter, facebook, instagram, and tik tok. It's a good time to be using these as parasites to rank for your keywords. Will be easier and quicker than trying to rank your own money site.

    Keyword Competitiveness
    Long tails will be the easiest to rank and that's where I'd recommend anyone to focus on their seo. You'll see much higher conversion rates and quicker rankings versus high competition 1 word/2 word phrases. With Google focusing on "relevancy" I've seen better results when a page is optimised with the exact target keyword (or group of related keywords). The exact match keyword in the url, meta title and meta description.

    Historically, I would have had one landing page covering a range of related keywords on one topic and building tiers to this page would result in hundreds of related keywords ranking. But now a page with the exact match keyword in the url, meta title and meta description will rank higher than a page with longer content but the exact match keyword is not in the url, meta title and meta description. Simply because it's deemed to be more relevant to the users search query.

    Domain Authority/Page Authority
    This is a really important metric to focus on. It represents how easily your site can rank for your keywords. The problem with this metric though is that no one has any idea what Google percieves your DA to be. Since they abandoned page rank, this metric is only being provided by 3rd party tools. In reality all SEO's are working blind on this metric.

    Relying on metrics provided by services such as moz DA or ahrefs DR or even majestic SEO TF/CF is just no good. They do not coincide with Google. Boosting your DA/DR and TF does not necessarily increase your rankings. 

    1. These tools use caching so the data they represent is always out of date.
    2. They don't crawl the entire web - only a fraction of the web is crawled by these tools versus what google crawls. 
    3. The data they show has no correlation to the links in google's index. They don't solely show you google indexed links, they show you both indexed and non-indexed links. 
    4. Plus with many sites having bot blocking plugins installed, these tools will never be able to have the same database of links that Google has. 
    5. This means their metrics are based on an incomplete data set, making their metrics pretty useless for making business decisions. Still many SEOs are hung up on the data from these services, despite them providing crap data.
    As SEOs, we do know that links from unique domains will boost DA/PA. The amount of link juice that's passed will be impacted by the number of external links the site has. More external links means less link juice is passed from the site overall.

    So heavily spammed sites that sit inside automated software will pass less and less link juice the more they are spammed. This is exactly what's happenning with tools like GSA SER and RankerX. Unspammed sites or even a PBN could in theory pass more link juice if it has less external links than these spammed platforms. 

    Indexing
    Whilst this may be an obvious factor as being important for rankings, it's important to understand that as links get indexed and deindexed, your DA/PA value held by Google will fluctuate up and down. Unfortunately no one can see this data - Google no longer share this.

    The DA/PA metrics provided by 3rd party tools don't change as links are indexed or deindexed. Even links that die can take months to be reflected by 3rd party tools as they use caching to save on costs. 

    Link Loss
    Dead links will be impacting your google ranking everytime google refreshes their index. You need to have a system in place to monitor the indexing and live status of your links. Whilst GSA SER has a reverify option, it's not 100% accurate (although it's still pretty good) and won't be able to continuously monitor the link status of a project, unless you leave that project running indefinitely. 

    I use another tool which I've mentioned before for managing the link loss. https://www.inspyder.com/products/BacklinkMonitor
    With this I can stay on top of any link loss and laser target my tiered link building. Makes building and powering up a 3 tier structure much easier. Plus if you build each tier separately, you can have a very strong link profile with just do follow live links, removing the dead links/no follow links from each tier as you build them and link check them.

    To give you an example of what these automated tools are doing. My automated 1-3-9 strategy with just do follow contextuals results in about 30% link loss/dead links when checked through backlink monitor. Bear in mind that I don't have any delays in GSA SER - It builds the next tier as soon as there are 100 live links. Using delays would definitely give better results, but I'm in a hurry lol 

    But by running each tier separately with a link check after each tier is built, the link loss/dead links is reduced to almost 0%, as they are removed before building the next tier. A much more efficient approach to doing SEO. Ofcourse there will be additional link loss over the following months, but as it's being managed by another software, this is quite easy to monitor and plan new campaigns to replace those lost links in the tiers. Replacing these lost links and repowering the tiers with indexed links is how to recover/boost rankings. The ranking power comes from indexed links in your tiers.

    Authority Of Link Sources
    This is another critical factor that will effect the results you see. The higher authority link sources should be in your T1 and also your T2. If you are using just GSA SER as T1/2/3, then you are already limiting the results of the strategy. If your T1/2 link sources have DA0-DA20, then your foundation doesn't have a lot of link juice to start with. Powering up these further with tiers isn't going to do much to your rankings as there is not a lot of link juice in the tiered structure to start with.

    For long tails it works good, and also site wide campaigns building links to hundreds of urls is another good strategy that will rank long tails quite easily to page 1. Whilst I do run T1/2/3 links with GSA SER with my 1-3-9 strategy, that's not all I do, as it's not enough to rank on it's own.

    I'll outsource to other services, use my own PBN network, use rankerx which gives about 300 do follow links from high DA unique domains.

    There is also manual link building on high DA sites and even outreach link building. You need to think beyond just 1 set of link sources. The more unique domains with high DA that you can place links on, the higher and quicker you will rank. Knowing this, why would you rely on just 1 software? SEO is about being competitive so continuously be on the lookout for new link sources.

    Anchor Ratios
    The ratios are tough to control. Although these 3rd party tools like ahrefs and seo spyglass have anchor clouds which make it very easy to visualise your anchor ratios, their data is based on indexed/non-indexed links combined. As links are deindexed or become dead, your anchor ratios will be changing with what Google see in their index. An over optimised (too many keyword anchors) anchor profile will make your rankings go backwards. 

    Whilst exact match anchors in your links will boost specific keyword rankings they need to be balanced with generics, branding and other variations of related keyword anchors. To play it safe, your top anchors should be variations of branding anchors only. Your keyword anchors should be less than 1%.
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