Gsa rankings and White hat rankings

valib4

What is difference between white hat seo and black hat seo . 

I understand white hat is manual , but i want more informations if you can help me . Thanks

I can achive 1st positions if it's a medium comp ? 

JudderMan

Google. This is a forum for GSA's tools.

valib4

Yep and i think Gsa tool it's a black hat seo tool . So what is your problem ? I want some reviews from guys who test them a lot and can tell me . 

gooner

You are asking questions about SEO and this is not an SEO forum.
Some people will help you with using GSA SER for SEO but the question you asked shows that you really need to learn the basics of SEO before you think using a link building tool. So maybe an SEO forum would be a better place to start?

valib4

Hey. I know the basiscs but what i want to ask is that if i can make same rankings with gsa ser that i can make white hat . What is the difference ?

I didn't asked seo help  i just want too know if i can rank lets say x niche with black hat and with white hat what it will be the difference. 

Thank you very much

gooner

Google says any attempt to manipulate rankings with artificial links is against their TOS.
So, what are manual links if not an attempt to manipulate the rankings? So what is white hat?

All that stuff is not important, what is important is can you rank sites with SER and the answer is YES.

But the questions you are asking about white hat niches and black hat niches really make no sense.

valib4

So practically it's same thing just that black hat seo it's faster and not so quality and the white hat seo it's slow but quality right ? 

gooner

Yes, it's just a matter of risk versus speed.
So "black hat" is faster but more risky, "white hat" is slower but safer.

If you use any link building software you take a bigger risk - But you will gain bigger rewards 99.9% of the time. The only exception is if you somehow build a white site that makes you a ton of cash, not very likely though.

JamPackedSpam

GSA SER is not blackhat. SER is greyhat, blackhat is illegal.

gooner

It's all a matter of your definition of black hat, if you consider spam blackhat then SER is blackhat.
Personally the only colour i care about is green

spunko2010

Try http://www.blackhatworld.com or http://www.warriorforum.com most of us started off there or similar.

burhan

Gsa Ser is pure blackhat anything which is done automatically in seo is blackbt except of generating report . and there is higher risk.of getting penalty but if you link directly to your money site . but if you do tier backlinking the result might good ..

BigGulpsHuhWelp

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Sven

"Gsa Ser is pure blackhat" << thats just wrong! It's what you make out of it. You can use a knife to kill or to make art or feet your children when cutting vegetables.
SER itself is not a blackhat tool. It can be used as such but also as anything in-between.

viking

well, the fact is that there is no color in seo. there are major retailers with rooms full of 'bloggers' 'content writers' 'social media managers' and 'backlink trolls' they generate tons of non-natural activity every day. but because they have storefronts in malls and are publicly traded everyone assumes they are white hat. there is an insurance company, a top ten one, that has a team from G that visits them every month for a few days per month. this G team is a sales team that works closely with them for ad spend, but also advises them for best practices for seo.they have the knowledge straight from the horse's mouth. stuff that would never be shared. this is just the way it is, and I suppose the way it should be on some level. So I don't look at it as if I am doing something wrong, i.e. black hat. I think that is b.s. I look at it as an arms race. Tools like SER level the playing field. It let's me do things that equal what their staffs are doing. Screw them. We are all after the same thing...ranking on G. The big difference is the knowledge of what G is actually looking at for rankings. That is where they have an advantage over the little guy and that is why forums like this are important so that people share their findings.

Sven

well said @viking

BigGulpsHuhWelp

@viking

Haha, look at what this asshole guy is saying about this forum while he trys to tell inexperienced users that its a good idea to use SER right at their moneysites...

TryAMillion

I think white hat can be said that you are building less than 10 links per day and feeling good you have a white hat! White hat is what you present to clients for maximum bucks!

As a note, what you present to your target traffic should be white hat if you want to get results.

For peoples own sites, White hat could also be considered as you built a blog and just post to it. Open a facebook account and tell people your post in the hopes you going to get anywhere soon!

Black hat is industrial link building. You have a keyword that is big bucks and you hit it with an atom bomb with a conclusive strategy which a thousand white hats minds would boggle at!

You have a client who needs to generate millions of dollars. You put on your black hat and craft a campaign that is a mixture of white, grey and black hat to make it possible. In this case, you might need to get more black hats to make it work.

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viking

@BigGulpsHuhWelp too funny. Notice how they never seem to be able/willing to post proof that SER to the MS creates rankings. Maybe it does do it short term, but G will catch it at some point. I am ok with where my various m.s. are at this point. They could be better, but I know they are well protected against any algo changes. PBN is the way to go imo.

BigGulpsHuhWelp

@viking

Yeah I got absolutely shit bombed in that threat for advising against using SER to money site. Everyone basically lemming'd up and went all in for the idea because I think they are too cheap to buy PBN's and its more work than automating stuff. 

redrays

It's pathetic that you've taken a discussion from another forum and brought it over here where those you were arguing with cannot defend themselves. You certainly did not have the nerve to call anyone an asshole on bhw. Even worse, you've significantly misrepresented what people were saying on that other forum. Sad!

Viking, the guy being called an asshole went to the trouble of sending PMs with examples of keywords that can be ranked with SER alone. I am one of those who received a sample keyword, and it certainly seems possible. It's not the most competitive keyword in the world, but it has more than 1k monthly searches and a suggested CPC approaching $5. Quite simply, the guy knows what he's talking about, and he was more than able/willing to post proof.

As for me, I do use SER on my moneysites *sometimes*. Does it create the rankings by itself? Not in my experience. But let's say it gets me 10-15% of the way there, with the other 85-90% being more expensive links like PBNs. Doesn't that still have value?

BigGulpsHuhWelp

@redrays

I was just trying to push people to consider safer options and protect themselves. Not start a multi - website fight with you haha. 

redrays

How does posting a screenshot from another forum and calling someone an asshole accomplish that?

BigGulpsHuhWelp

@redrays

That entire thread all I was trying to do was to push for safer protocol when it comes to using SER. You guys called me an idiot who has no idea what he is doing (which btw you could not be more wrong about)... It was disrespectful and unprofessional. 

redrays

I agree that name calling is unprofessional, but you're not being honest about the tone you took with people there, myself included. I have no idea if you know what you're doing, and I don't care. Let's just stop the name calling and cross posting and call it a day.

viking

@redrays don't know/care what happened on the other forum. i never visit there. re: ser going to money site, you are a LOT braver than I am. I am always mindful of how quickly G changes the landscape. What works today is a penalty/footprint tomorrow, i.e. "infograms" So far I seem to be holding my own using traditional tiering, except I insert my PBN as a buffer. Too each, their own. What works for me may not work for anyone else. I have made my share of mistakes in the past and paid the price. Now I am more cautious. Too much time + money invested now. SER rocks on the upper tiers though, no doubt. Good luck.

shaun

@viking Sorry for the late reply, I don't  come on here much now. I can't think of anyway to post proof of SER direct to a money site being able to rank it. Rank tracker screenshots prove nothing as there could be anything linking to the site. The only real way to get you to believe that it is possible is to give you the method and get you to do it yourself on a burner site.

I still stand by that screenshot that was linked from over on BHW, the signal to noise ratio on this board has spiraled out of control massively and I can only presume that is part of the reason the old school guys who used to post a lot don't get involved anymore. It is definitely the reason why I am massively reducing the time I spend on here. The only users whos posts I read these days are Judderman, Tim89 and Spunko.

This is the thread that the screen shot was linked from. Give it a read when you have some spare time and pair it with this thread and you will be hard pushed to find anyone on this board who has shared anything like it in a very long time. I know that there are plenty of examples on the board but this thread is the most recent example of someone I class as a respected member confirming they also rank sites with nothing but SER, there are also a few other users in the BHW thread I linked.

@redrays that keyword will keep you right mate It will prove that you are able to rank page one with nothing other than SER and then you can scale from there.

Also just a quick note on the "It's not the most competitive keyword in the world" don't get caught up on how competitive a keyword is, it means very little. Focus on how profitable a keyword is.

Johan

+1 for what @shaun just said, can't disagree with any of it.

I'm genuinely curious whether the people who say you can't point SER to your money site are saying this as a result of extensive testing on their own sites or whether they just repeating what they think is the perceived wisdom?

End of the day, SER is a tool that you command. Tell it to post a million spammy backlinks to your site and that's what you'll get. Tell it to post high quality, handwritten contextual links on high authority domains in a slow but steady way and lo and behold ...

viking

@shaun thanks for that! It is great to hear success stories. I love it. Of course not everyone is going to get to page 1, right? It would have to be a pretty deep page for that to happen. So each of us has to take back information and apply it to what we are actually doing. I have no doubt that in some cases, there are niches where SER alone is enough to hammer great rankings. Unfortunately in my niche that is not the case. So I have had to adopt a longer term strategy to remain viable and compete effectively. I am a proponent of PBN's. Some like them, some don't. I treat mine like moneysites. In other words, I have high quality unique 2.0's at T1, and then tiers on top. Why do I do this? Well for one of my money sites I have 30+ owned PBN sites, no footprints, decent rankings, all passing authority to my money site. Not a huge network, but lots of authority, and the links will never go away, and I control them for content. Page 1 for keyword going on 5+ years. I would rather own that set up than having to constantly backfill SER links at Tier 1. Too much risk and exposure for me. I can't say that going full on with only SER is good or bad, since I would never take the risk. To those who do and can get it done, that is awesome. And I am one of the biggest supporters of SER which is an incredibly powerful tool.

2Take2

I think that there's a bit of a cross over in this thread between various different points;

1. Is it possible to rank web pages with GSA SER - Yes, of course it is. There's plenty of people on this very forum that are ranking (in Google) with just SER, myself included. It's obviously going to vary by niche though.

2. Will ranking web pages with GSA SER get your site slapped - Most likely, unless you have a decent knowledge of the tool and a fair bit of experience with automated link building. Not doing the same thing everyone else is doing would help, as will not going too mad with velocity, anchor text, and making sure that the domain has enough authority to handle the spam, either through age, additional link types, or both. 

3. Is it a good idea to use GSA SER to link directly to a website that you care about - Depends on how much risk you're willing to take. Personally I wouldn't, but I know people that do and don't have any problems.

redrays

I'm not sure how to properly do the @ thing, so hopefully this works.

@viking, I have some websites where I take your approach, and some where I'm even more conservative, meaning no inbound links from other domains that I own. There do seem to be niches where ser won't give you much / any traction. One of the things I love about seo is that you can have an unlimited number of websites with an unlimited number of strategies. I like hearing about how you do things, and I like hearing from people who are more aggressive.

@shaun, I agree. Some people try to shut down these conversations by saying stuff like "that wouldn't rank for payday loans", so I wanted to avoid getting those kind of responses.

@Johan, I think most people who say it know very little in general and are repeating perceived wisdom. It's a safe way to boost post counts and build up 'authority' on forums.

@2Take2, Good summary!