@sven that is what I am wondering as well. I even looked at the source code, didnt understand. I mentioned in my post about how it encodes the letters similiar to what you just said, but I dont see why gooners article is so special, I got my articles to pass copyscape as well but apparently he is something something special I am unaware of.
@sven - I took an article from page one in the UK for "seo tips" and ran it through some software which claims to encode it and make it unique.
They don't share the exact trick that makes it unique so i can't say what exactly it does or how it does it. But it is definitely unique in the eyes of the search engines and copyscape.
but its just the words that are unqie. Becuase I took the words, pasted it into notepad which would remove any encoding, then put it into copyscape and still unique.
So i think the article is unique anyway without any encoding!
@tsaimllc - That's the supposed "trick", you can paste the text into whatever you want, add the article to your site etc etc and it still shows as unique. That's the whole point of the software.
But as i said before i don't know how they do that and for the record, the article i posted hasn't been indexed yet. Not to say it won't ever be indexed or other articles using that method wouldn't be. It just needs to be tested more.
TBH I'm not sure I subscribe the it has to be unique theory. I understand where it comes from. God knows its hard for sites like Ecommerce where the manufacturers descriptions are used by thousands to get and stay indexed. I've also had a site based on a off the shelf job script with scraped data feeds get thousands of pages indexed and then deindexed. But I did not build any links to the site.
But at the same time, Google has all kinds of duplicate content indexed from around the web. If the same article is on the New York Times and the Chicago tribune websites do we think one will get deindexed or no pass link juice? I don't.
So in theory, should we not be able to use duplicate content if we do a proper job and sending enough link juice to them? And isn't that the point of the upper tiers anyway?
Not saying anyone else here is wrong, just thinking out loud.
I think ill crank out a couple of sites and use 100% non-spun content on the tier 1s and see what happens.
@wizzardly - Yep i think you're right. I just use any content Article Builder gives me for tier 1's and on money sites my content is not always 100% unique. Seems to do no harm.
I just threw that encoded thing out there as an alternative to spinning, but yea i do don't do that either.
@2take2 - Yep domain authority matters, i put up entirely duplicate content on a 10 year old domain and it went straight to page one and for some keywords that it wasn't even directly targeting.
@gooner - yea, I've got a niche related 2003 domain that I picked up a while ago in the GD auctions. I haven't got around to doing anything with it yet (apart from a few pages of content with links), but I might have to pull my finger out and get it up and running soon. Would be a perfect candidate for siloing too.
With encoding I thought you mean replacing certain chars with special chars in html language like a
"Hello World" with
Hеl&X6C;o Worl&X64;
@sven - I am not even sure how this works as I have never done it for this application. But I thought if the file is presented in html format, you would be using java/ascii like this: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_urlencode.asp
My memory isn't that good because we were using it to screw up content thieves that were using bots to rip everybody's content. And I thought this was the technique. I honestly don't know the answer, so if somebody really knows what the hell the answer is, please chime in.
What's more annoying is that I was being ever so careful with it too, same old content as the previous site, new content V closely related, HiQ links only
OK now I understand what @gooner did with that article. It's nothing more than the option "Use character spinning where possible (fighting duplicate content)" enabled. It will take certain chars and exchange it with same looking once but from different charset/alphabet.
"Escaping a PR update". Who cares if your PR sunk after an update lol? It hasn't been updated for a year until now, and it is not going to in any way affect your rankings. PR is a direct outcome of your sites quality and links, not the other way around.
fascinating. I still cant figure it out!!!! I mean, the original shows as duplicate, but that page, even after I put it into dreamweaver, or notepad, I guess I dont understand character spinning because it looks like the same letters to me.. but shows up unique!
@tsaimllc - Now Sven explained i understand. Imagine each letter is replaced by a letter from another language, the replacement letter looks the same to the human eye... But a machine see's those letters as completely different.
That is what character spinning is, replacing letters with those from other charset/alphabet
crazy. its crazy that a pc can do that without the human eye knowing what is going on (because it looks 100% the same and there is no change of coding surrounding it)
well, i guess we shall just see if google indexes that page tho!
The problem with this technic is that even google does not know what this is about. You should never encode your anchors/keywords or important thing sin that article, else it's the same as you write "bjabsfhh ah oashf oöhasödhg öashd gäh aäshigähasädgh %anchor_text% jkgkjgkjgg"
I suppose it's always the same when you buy domains though, sometimes they keep their PR, and sometimes they don't, no matter how carefully you re-purpose them.
Never mind though, I guess we can all just give Google a double dose of link spam over Christmas to make up for the disappointment! )
@2take2 it was kind of a double whammy as it's been PR5 for at least 18 months, but in the real world I view PR as more of a "badge of honour" rather than a real metric. I tend to focus on age / DA / PA.
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They don't share the exact trick that makes it unique so i can't say what exactly it does or how it does it. But it is definitely unique in the eyes of the search engines and copyscape.
So i think the article is unique anyway without any encoding!
But as i said before i don't know how they do that and for the record, the article i posted hasn't been indexed yet. Not to say it won't ever be indexed or other articles using that method wouldn't be. It just needs to be tested more.
I just threw that encoded thing out there as an alternative to spinning, but yea i do don't do that either.
If you have a lot of one, then it seems that you can get away with less of the other.
I sold that site, kinda wished i kept it now!
A lot of my sites were hit badly.
A couple of my Branded sites dropped down 1 place too, and a few of my newer sites just about made PR0 lol
My worst hit was a PR3 expired domain that I bought a while back - it dropped from a PR3 to a PR0
How about you?
With encoding I thought you mean replacing certain chars with special chars in html language like a
"Hello World" with
Hеl&X6C;o Worl&X64;
@sven - I am not even sure how this works as I have never done it for this application. But I thought if the file is presented in html format, you would be using java/ascii like this: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/ref_urlencode.asp
My memory isn't that good because we were using it to screw up content thieves that were using bots to rip everybody's content. And I thought this was the technique. I honestly don't know the answer, so if somebody really knows what the hell the answer is, please chime in.
Strangely, my 4 year old business site went from a PR2 - PR0 and a new wafer thin lead gen site i threw up 3 months ago went from PR0 - PR1.
Do they actually know what they are doing? lol
I had a PR5 drop to PR0
What's more annoying is that I was being ever so careful with it too, same old content as the previous site, new content V closely related, HiQ links only
Ahh well..
OK now I understand what @gooner did with that article. It's nothing more than the option "Use character spinning where possible (fighting duplicate content)" enabled. It will take certain chars and exchange it with same looking once but from different charset/alphabet.
An option thats in SER for years (?).
I didn't know that, very interesting @sven
Maybe you can add to SER too if it doesn't have them already?
@tsaimllc - Now Sven explained i understand. Imagine each letter is replaced by a letter from another language, the replacement letter looks the same to the human eye... But a machine see's those letters as completely different.
That is what character spinning is, replacing letters with those from other charset/alphabet
well, i guess we shall just see if google indexes that page tho!
But still it will be 99% gibberish haha
I suppose it's always the same when you buy domains though, sometimes they keep their PR, and sometimes they don't, no matter how carefully you re-purpose them.
Never mind though, I guess we can all just give Google a double dose of link spam over Christmas to make up for the disappointment!